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Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm

I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:28 pm

I didn’t for Skadden last year, and didn’t interview at OMM, but I did get one from White & Case.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
Yep, got one from Skadden alongside the CB invite. Latham too.

Anyone care to speculate how much weight these "tests" will be given when the final hiring decision is made?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
OMM does, never heard of Skadden using that pseudo-science though, and I did pre-OCI with them.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
OMM does, never heard of Skadden using that pseudo-science though, and I did pre-OCI with them.
Pre-OCI through the callback stage?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Cadwalader is starting to do this

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by cavalier1138 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:55 am

Just answer as follows:

"Personality tests are pseudoscientific bullshit promoted exclusively by recruiting firms that want to sell you on their particular package of bullshit. Of course, I'm just naturally skeptical about these things because I'm a Virgo."

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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cavalier1138 wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:55 am
Just answer as follows:

"Personality tests are pseudoscientific bullshit promoted exclusively by recruiting firms that want to sell you on their particular package of bullshit. Of course, I'm just naturally skeptical about these things because I'm a Virgo."
They're actually really good at identifying dark, disturbed weirdos who nobody likes to be around ignoring internet forums.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:47 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
OMM does, never heard of Skadden using that pseudo-science though, and I did pre-OCI with them.
Pre-OCI through the callback stage?
yes

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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bodylikeatwizzler wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:44 am
cavalier1138 wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:55 am
Just answer as follows:

"Personality tests are pseudoscientific bullshit promoted exclusively by recruiting firms that want to sell you on their particular package of bullshit. Of course, I'm just naturally skeptical about these things because I'm a Virgo."
They're actually really good at identifying dark, disturbed weirdos who nobody likes to be around ignoring internet forums.
Did you really make an account for the exclusive purpose of personal attacks on other posters

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm

Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm

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Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm
Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect
It's nothing to sweat about, a set of cognitive exercises that tests different things (pattern recognition, change detection, memory, etc)

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:47 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
OMM does, never heard of Skadden using that pseudo-science though, and I did pre-OCI with them.
Pre-OCI through the callback stage?
yes
Skadden did it this year after the screener stage for CBs

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by cavalier1138 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm
Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect
It's nothing to sweat about, a set of cognitive exercises that tests different things (pattern recognition, change detection, memory, etc)
Are you thinking of a different test? Psychometric evaluations are Myers-Briggs personality assessments and similar strains of bullshit, not actual cognitive tests.

Still, it's nothing to worry about, because there is no "right answer." The test will provide you with a statement like "I am more comfortable in a big crowd than in a small group" and ask you to rank your level of agreement/disagreement with the statement. After you've answered enough of those questions, it will provide you with your "type." Even if you could sufficiently prepare for these to game the tests, it would be impossible to do so in an effective way, because each firm is likely listening to a different witch doctor evaluator telling them which personality types are the best fit for their firm.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:05 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm
Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect
It's nothing to sweat about, a set of cognitive exercises that tests different things (pattern recognition, change detection, memory, etc)
Are you thinking of a different test? Psychometric evaluations are Myers-Briggs personality assessments and similar strains of bullshit, not actual cognitive tests.

Still, it's nothing to worry about, because there is no "right answer." The test will provide you with a statement like "I am more comfortable in a big crowd than in a small group" and ask you to rank your level of agreement/disagreement with the statement. After you've answered enough of those questions, it will provide you with your "type." Even if you could sufficiently prepare for these to game the tests, it would be impossible to do so in an effective way, because each firm is likely listening to a different witch doctor evaluator telling them which personality types are the best fit for their firm.
The platform used by Skadden measures personality traits AND basic cognitive functions (i.e., compare two strings of characters and say whether there's a difference or not). Different flavors of bullsh*t.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:16 pm

OMM had us do this pre-OCI screener. They sent it to us a day or two in advance of the screener, when OCI was already in full-swing. The games took 45 minutes to complete, continuously malfunctioned, & were all around tedious & frustrating. In addition to being pseudoscientific bullshit, it was a huge waste of time and a frustrating thing to be asked to do in the middle of an extremely stressful process where our time is precious and limited. It was the only firm that asked us to do anything like that, so left us with a strong negative impression (Skadden did not - but they might for CBs).

If any recruiting people are reading this, please please cut that out. If you're going to have people do 45 minutes of BS psychometric games, at least have them do them in advance of a callback interview, not in the middle of OCI for a twenty minute screener.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:53 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:47 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
I've heard that some firms (Skadden, OMM) are conducting psychometric evaluations during this year's recruiting process.

Is anyone able to confirm this?
OMM does, never heard of Skadden using that pseudo-science though, and I did pre-OCI with them.
Pre-OCI through the callback stage?
yes
Skadden did it this year after the screener stage for CBs
good news for Skadden. was at a recruiting event and a recruiter there said those tests, at least for this year, can only help your candidacy. they do not know how legit they are yet.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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cavalier1138 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm
Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect
It's nothing to sweat about, a set of cognitive exercises that tests different things (pattern recognition, change detection, memory, etc)
Are you thinking of a different test? Psychometric evaluations are Myers-Briggs personality assessments and similar strains of bullshit, not actual cognitive tests.

Still, it's nothing to worry about, because there is no "right answer." The test will provide you with a statement like "I am more comfortable in a big crowd than in a small group" and ask you to rank your level of agreement/disagreement with the statement. After you've answered enough of those questions, it will provide you with your "type." Even if you could sufficiently prepare for these to game the tests, it would be impossible to do so in an effective way, because each firm is likely listening to a different witch doctor evaluator telling them which personality types are the best fit for their firm.
I may be confusing firms, but the one I did was for sure cognitive tests. But it was pre-OCI so maybe they tweaked things a bit. Either way, seems like we're in agreement that the test is useless.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by cavalier1138 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:27 pm
cavalier1138 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:31 pm
Has anyone actually taken one of these yet? Really unsure what to expect
It's nothing to sweat about, a set of cognitive exercises that tests different things (pattern recognition, change detection, memory, etc)
Are you thinking of a different test? Psychometric evaluations are Myers-Briggs personality assessments and similar strains of bullshit, not actual cognitive tests.

Still, it's nothing to worry about, because there is no "right answer." The test will provide you with a statement like "I am more comfortable in a big crowd than in a small group" and ask you to rank your level of agreement/disagreement with the statement. After you've answered enough of those questions, it will provide you with your "type." Even if you could sufficiently prepare for these to game the tests, it would be impossible to do so in an effective way, because each firm is likely listening to a different witch doctor evaluator telling them which personality types are the best fit for their firm.
I may be confusing firms, but the one I did was for sure cognitive tests. But it was pre-OCI so maybe they tweaked things a bit. Either way, seems like we're in agreement that the test is useless.
After a little more digging, it looks like the term "psychometric evaluation" applies to both kinds of tests. So everyone's right, and everything is still horrible.

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm

The Skadden test had LSAT junior which I was not prepared for :?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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The Skadden test had LSAT junior which I was not prepared for :?
What does "lsat junior" mean? You mean it had questions similar to the lsat?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm
The Skadden test had LSAT junior which I was not prepared for :?
What does "lsat junior" mean? You mean it had questions similar to the lsat?
Not OP, but yes there are a few logic game-ish questions. I did the Skadden evaluation before my morning coffee and definitely didn’t crush that section. Still got an offer though, so I doubt this thing matters

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:05 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm
The Skadden test had LSAT junior which I was not prepared for :?
What does "lsat junior" mean? You mean it had questions similar to the lsat?
Not OP, but yes there are a few logic game-ish questions. I did the Skadden evaluation before my morning coffee and definitely didn’t crush that section. Still got an offer though, so I doubt this thing matters
Do you mind sharing when you did your CB for Skadden (and if this is Skadden NY)?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Re: Psychometric evaluations during OCI?

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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:05 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:21 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm
The Skadden test had LSAT junior which I was not prepared for :?
What does "lsat junior" mean? You mean it had questions similar to the lsat?
Not OP, but yes there are a few logic game-ish questions. I did the Skadden evaluation before my morning coffee and definitely didn’t crush that section. Still got an offer though, so I doubt this thing matters
I'm OP and that's super reassuring because I definitely got most (if not all) of that section wrong.

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