Selendy & Gay Forum

[Anonymous User]

Specifically wondering if they have a close to 100% offer rate for their summers, to see whether they would be worth bidding on for OCI. I know many mid-sized & plaintiffs-side firms don't operate on that model.
(Related: I also see most of the 2020 graduates are listed as "law clerk" on their firm profile, & I don't know what that's about either.)

Also: I'm interested in plaintiff-side work & litigation boutiques in general, but I don't have a Susman Godfrey-level GPA. Current plan A is to do standard BL for the summer at least, clerk, and then work somewhere more interesting as soon as the opportunity arises. I was thinking traditional BL with a good name would be the safest option at this point, but I have no debt and no interest in BL long term. So if anyone has any thoughts on standard BL vs. less traditional firms at this stage, pros & cons, and whether there are any (other) semi-plaintiff-side litigation-focused firms that have a high offer rate for their summers that would be worth exploring, I'd be happy to hear that as well.

Thanks in advance.

[nixy]

I don't know anything about Selendy & Gay specifically, but 2020 grads being listed as law clerks is ordinary - it means they haven't been admitted to practice yet (normally they would be by now, but covid pushing back bar exams means it's taking longer). Law firms regularly list associates as law clerks until they get formally admitted.

[Anonymous User]

I don't know anything about Selendy & Gay specifically, but 2020 grads being listed as law clerks is ordinary - it means they haven't been admitted to practice yet (normally they would be by now, but covid pushing back bar exams means it's taking longer). Law firms regularly list associates as law clerks until they get formally admitted.

Ah. Thank you!

[Iowahawk]

If you haven't yet, look into whether they do splits. Many litigation boutiques, including Susman and Kellogg, target their summer programs at people splitting their summers, which makes it less of a big deal if you get no-offered.

[Anonymous User]

Junior at a P-Side shop.

In general, most of them hire ex-BL (or laterals from other plaintiffs firms), at least the firms at the top, but plenty are willing to hire less than Susman caliber candidates. Best bet is to find a traditional BL firm with a strong lit practice and get in year or two before looking, but if it is really what you want it should be doable (networking will help, reach out to some alumni who are working at plaintiffs firm).

There's some good lists on older TLS posts discussing plaintiffs firms that can at least give you a starting point for a search, but remember those firms tend to be more specialized, and even the shops that cover a lot of practice areas tend to be internally specialized, so consider if you're most interest in antitrust, securities, labor/employment, etc.

For what its worth, I've never regretted my decision to hop over the v. early, lots of good early experience, feel more involved in the cases, like the work more, etc. But I was never going to really enjoy BL so it was an easy decision. Just come in with realistic expectations (hours will be the same, and at most shops below Susman tier junior comp is lower and more volatile).

[Anonymous User]

If you haven't yet, look into whether they do splits. Many litigation boutiques, including Susman and Kellogg, target their summer programs at people splitting their summers, which makes it less of a big deal if you get no-offered.

What if we are already splitting with a government position? I did not apply to Kellogg because they do not make offers to summers, but are there other firms to avoid? I bid both Susman and Selendy.

[Anonymous User]

If you haven't yet, look into whether they do splits. Many litigation boutiques, including Susman and Kellogg, target their summer programs at people splitting their summers, which makes it less of a big deal if you get no-offered.

What if we are already splitting with a government position? I did not apply to Kellogg because they do not make offers to summers, but are there other firms to avoid? I bid both Susman and Selendy.

Susman also does not offer their summers

[Anonymous User]

Junior at a P-Side shop.

In general, most of them hire ex-BL (or laterals from other plaintiffs firms), at least the firms at the top, but plenty are willing to hire less than Susman caliber candidates. Best bet is to find a traditional BL firm with a strong lit practice and get in year or two before looking, but if it is really what you want it should be doable (networking will help, reach out to some alumni who are working at plaintiffs firm).

There's some good lists on older TLS posts discussing plaintiffs firms that can at least give you a starting point for a search, but remember those firms tend to be more specialized, and even the shops that cover a lot of practice areas tend to be internally specialized, so consider if you're most interest in antitrust, securities, labor/employment, etc.

For what its worth, I've never regretted my decision to hop over the v. early, lots of good early experience, feel more involved in the cases, like the work more, etc. But I was never going to really enjoy BL so it was an easy decision. Just come in with realistic expectations (hours will be the same, and at most shops below Susman tier junior comp is lower and more volatile).

Thank you so much - This is extremely helpful.

And thank you, @Iowahawk, I will look into that!

[Anonymous User]

Susman also does not offer their summers

Thanks. Does that change if I have a clerkship lined up, or do I need to reapply during my clerkship?

[Anonymous User]

Susman also does not offer their summers

Thanks. Does that change if I have a clerkship lined up, or do I need to reapply during my clerkship?

You would have to reapply during the clerkship.

[Anonymous User]

Susman also does not offer their summers

Thanks. Does that change if I have a clerkship lined up, or do I need to reapply during my clerkship?

You would have to reapply during the clerkship.

Anon because current SG associate. This is not entirely accurate. It varies by office; NY does not give offers to summers as a matter of policy, but the other offices (i.e. Houston, LA, and Seattle) typically do.

[Anonymous User]

Susman also does not offer their summers

Thanks. Does that change if I have a clerkship lined up, or do I need to reapply during my clerkship?

You would have to reapply during the clerkship.

Anon because current SG associate. This is not entirely accurate. It varies by office; NY does not give offers to summers as a matter of policy, but the other offices (i.e. Houston, LA, and Seattle) typically do.

My apologies to whoever asked originally. Is this a recent change? At callbacks, a few years back they explicitly said they didn't offer summers.

[Anonymous User]

Susman also does not offer their summers

Thanks. Does that change if I have a clerkship lined up, or do I need to reapply during my clerkship?

You would have to reapply during the clerkship.

Anon because current SG associate. This is not entirely accurate. It varies by office; NY does not give offers to summers as a matter of policy, but the other offices (i.e. Houston, LA, and Seattle) typically do.

My apologies to whoever asked originally. Is this a recent change? At callbacks, a few years back they explicitly said they didn't offer summers.

Same anon SG associate. I can't speak to when the policy was initially implemented, but it has been that way the entire time that i've been at the firm.