GPA Cutoffs At Different Firms Forum

[Anonymous User]

S&C is well-known for going almost down to median here. Latham NY is more significantly selective than S&C NY here.

Oh I understood what you are saying before, but the data above just does not align with your statement above. For example, it seems that Cleary NY, S&C NY are still in the above-median range and I can’t even find Latham NY in the data. Also, your point that students prefer Chi, LA, and DC to NY also makes sense, but again what does that have to do with Latham NY?

If you actually have Latham NY vs other NY v5 call back data, I would love to see it.

Cleary and S&C have 25ths in the low 170.x range so they undoubtedly take some below-median students (170.0 is median, maybe more like 170.1-2). Latham NY is on the list and in the fourth bucket with Cravath, significantly more selective than either. Clearly the NY hierarchy of selectivity at Chicago is different from what was posted before, so school matters, but overall city is much more important than firm for selectivity (DC > Chi/Cali > NY/Tex).

Woops. Sorry I missed that. If true, Latham NY being more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at Chi is truly very surprising to me (Btw, I am not comparing Latham DC/Chi to NYC v5). At my t14, it’s exactly the opposite, people below median can pretty easily secure offers from Latham NY, but S&C and Cleary will only give callbacks to people with 3.8ish gpa or above.

Also I don’t know how decimals work at UChi, but Latham NY is in 178.0 or above category while Cleary and S&C are in 177.5 or above category. Does 0.5 difference mean “significantly more selective”?
If that is true, you said 170.0 is the median, so I would say Latham NY, Cleary NY, and S&C NY are all in significantly above median range. No? What’s going on here, haha.

All in all, as I said, your point being location matters is well-taken. I am just saying that Latham NY is not more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at any other schools except UChi (apparently).

The rough buckets miss some nuance, but for 25/75 Latham is 178.1/180.5, S&C is 177.7/180.4, Cleary is 177.7/179.5. I'm not looking to get into arguments about what exactly "significance" means w/ respect to Chicago's grading scale (which is somewhat opaque even to me), but regardless lots of good NY firms, including S&C and Cleary, probably pull from true median or below while Latham probably doesn't given its 25ths. I don't know anything about how firms operate at any other school and and it's perfectly plausible to me that Latham is just unusually picky at Chicago, or Cleary is unusually lax, or whatever, which was my original point.

[Anonymous User]

S&C is well-known for going almost down to median here. Latham NY is more significantly selective than S&C NY here.

Oh I understood what you are saying before, but the data above just does not align with your statement above. For example, it seems that Cleary NY, S&C NY are still in the above-median range and I can’t even find Latham NY in the data. Also, your point that students prefer Chi, LA, and DC to NY also makes sense, but again what does that have to do with Latham NY?

If you actually have Latham NY vs other NY v5 call back data, I would love to see it.

Cleary and S&C have 25ths in the low 170.x range so they undoubtedly take some below-median students (170.0 is median, maybe more like 170.1-2). Latham NY is on the list and in the fourth bucket with Cravath, significantly more selective than either. Clearly the NY hierarchy of selectivity at Chicago is different from what was posted before, so school matters, but overall city is much more important than firm for selectivity (DC > Chi/Cali > NY/Tex).

Woops. Sorry I missed that. If true, Latham NY being more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at Chi is truly very surprising to me (Btw, I am not comparing Latham DC/Chi to NYC v5). At my t14, it’s exactly the opposite, people below median can pretty easily secure offers from Latham NY, but S&C and Cleary will only give callbacks to people with 3.8ish gpa or above.

Also I don’t know how decimals work at UChi, but Latham NY is in 178.0 or above category while Cleary and S&C are in 177.5 or above category. Does 0.5 difference mean “significantly more selective”?
If that is true, you said 170.0 is the median, so I would say Latham NY, Cleary NY, and S&C NY are all in significantly above median range. No? What’s going on here, haha.

All in all, as I said, your point being location matters is well-taken. I am just saying that Latham NY is not more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at any other schools except UChi (apparently).

The rough buckets miss some nuance, but for 25/75 Latham is 178.1/180.5, S&C is 177.7/180.4, Cleary is 177.7/179.5. I'm not looking to get into arguments about what exactly "significance" means w/ respect to Chicago's grading scale (which is somewhat opaque even to me), but regardless lots of good NY firms, including S&C and Cleary, probably pull from true median or below while Latham probably doesn't given its 25ths. I don't know anything about how firms operate at any other school and and it's perfectly plausible to me that Latham is just unusually picky at Chicago, or Cleary is unusually lax, or whatever, which was my original point.

Got it. Dude those numbers make me dizzy lol. But yeah I guess that’s the case.

[Nectarineenmity]

Bumping this thread.

Anyone have data on T20 (BU specifically)?

[Anonymous User]

S&C is well-known for going almost down to median here. Latham NY is more significantly selective than S&C NY here.

Oh I understood what you are saying before, but the data above just does not align with your statement above. For example, it seems that Cleary NY, S&C NY are still in the above-median range and I can’t even find Latham NY in the data. Also, your point that students prefer Chi, LA, and DC to NY also makes sense, but again what does that have to do with Latham NY?

If you actually have Latham NY vs other NY v5 call back data, I would love to see it.

Cleary and S&C have 25ths in the low 170.x range so they undoubtedly take some below-median students (170.0 is median, maybe more like 170.1-2). Latham NY is on the list and in the fourth bucket with Cravath, significantly more selective than either. Clearly the NY hierarchy of selectivity at Chicago is different from what was posted before, so school matters, but overall city is much more important than firm for selectivity (DC > Chi/Cali > NY/Tex).

Woops. Sorry I missed that. If true, Latham NY being more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at Chi is truly very surprising to me (Btw, I am not comparing Latham DC/Chi to NYC v5). At my t14, it’s exactly the opposite, people below median can pretty easily secure offers from Latham NY, but S&C and Cleary will only give callbacks to people with 3.8ish gpa or above.

Also I don’t know how decimals work at UChi, but Latham NY is in 178.0 or above category while Cleary and S&C are in 177.5 or above category. Does 0.5 difference mean “significantly more selective”?
If that is true, you said 170.0 is the median, so I would say Latham NY, Cleary NY, and S&C NY are all in significantly above median range. No? What’s going on here, haha.

All in all, as I said, your point being location matters is well-taken. I am just saying that Latham NY is not more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at any other schools except UChi (apparently).

The rough buckets miss some nuance, but for 25/75 Latham is 178.1/180.5, S&C is 177.7/180.4, Cleary is 177.7/179.5. I'm not looking to get into arguments about what exactly "significance" means w/ respect to Chicago's grading scale (which is somewhat opaque even to me), but regardless lots of good NY firms, including S&C and Cleary, probably pull from true median or below while Latham probably doesn't given its 25ths. I don't know anything about how firms operate at any other school and and it's perfectly plausible to me that Latham is just unusually picky at Chicago, or Cleary is unusually lax, or whatever, which was my original point.

You sure that's not including Latham Chi data? Latham NY is less selective, certainly much less selective than S&C/DPW/PW(lit) but Latham Chi is incredibly selective, based on NU data.

[Anonymous User]

S&C is well-known for going almost down to median here. Latham NY is more significantly selective than S&C NY here.

Oh I understood what you are saying before, but the data above just does not align with your statement above. For example, it seems that Cleary NY, S&C NY are still in the above-median range and I can’t even find Latham NY in the data. Also, your point that students prefer Chi, LA, and DC to NY also makes sense, but again what does that have to do with Latham NY?

If you actually have Latham NY vs other NY v5 call back data, I would love to see it.

Cleary and S&C have 25ths in the low 170.x range so they undoubtedly take some below-median students (170.0 is median, maybe more like 170.1-2). Latham NY is on the list and in the fourth bucket with Cravath, significantly more selective than either. Clearly the NY hierarchy of selectivity at Chicago is different from what was posted before, so school matters, but overall city is much more important than firm for selectivity (DC > Chi/Cali > NY/Tex).

Woops. Sorry I missed that. If true, Latham NY being more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at Chi is truly very surprising to me (Btw, I am not comparing Latham DC/Chi to NYC v5). At my t14, it’s exactly the opposite, people below median can pretty easily secure offers from Latham NY, but S&C and Cleary will only give callbacks to people with 3.8ish gpa or above.

Also I don’t know how decimals work at UChi, but Latham NY is in 178.0 or above category while Cleary and S&C are in 177.5 or above category. Does 0.5 difference mean “significantly more selective”?
If that is true, you said 170.0 is the median, so I would say Latham NY, Cleary NY, and S&C NY are all in significantly above median range. No? What’s going on here, haha.

All in all, as I said, your point being location matters is well-taken. I am just saying that Latham NY is not more grade selective than Cleary NY or S&C NY at any other schools except UChi (apparently).

The rough buckets miss some nuance, but for 25/75 Latham is 178.1/180.5, S&C is 177.7/180.4, Cleary is 177.7/179.5. I'm not looking to get into arguments about what exactly "significance" means w/ respect to Chicago's grading scale (which is somewhat opaque even to me), but regardless lots of good NY firms, including S&C and Cleary, probably pull from true median or below while Latham probably doesn't given its 25ths. I don't know anything about how firms operate at any other school and and it's perfectly plausible to me that Latham is just unusually picky at Chicago, or Cleary is unusually lax, or whatever, which was my original point.

You sure that's not including Latham Chi data? Latham NY is less selective, certainly much less selective than S&C/DPW/PW(lit) but Latham Chi is incredibly selective, based on NU data.

Latham CA also incredibly selective, maybe that’s a factor

[Anonymous User]

You sure that's not including Latham Chi data? Latham NY is less selective, certainly much less selective than S&C/DPW/PW(lit) but Latham Chi is incredibly selective, based on NU data.

Latham Chi is not that selective. Received an offer last cycle with a 3.6 GPA from NU. I would not call that incredibly selective. I'm also not URM.

[Anonymous User]

You sure that's not including Latham Chi data? Latham NY is less selective, certainly much less selective than S&C/DPW/PW(lit) but Latham Chi is incredibly selective, based on NU data.

Latham Chi is not that selective. Received an offer last cycle with a 3.6 GPA from NU. I would not call that incredibly selective. I'm also not URM.

Assuming you were corporate or a non-URM minority who networked well prior to recruiting. Check Latham Chi's lit associate profiles - everyone non-URM from a school lower than T6 has latin honors + externship/clerkship.

[Anonymous User]

Both Kirkland Chi and Sidley Chi are more selective than Latham Chi.

[Anonymous User]

Both Kirkland Chi and Sidley Chi are more selective than Latham Chi.

Flat out not true for corporate, at least for NU/Chi. Kirkland has to dip below median at both schools to fill their massive classes. Same for Sidley, to a lesser extent. In contrast Latham Chi takes like 20 summers total each year, so they can afford to be very selective. Out of the three, they're the only one that hard cuts at 3.6 at NU, even for corporate.

For litigation, it depends, but Jenner/Latham/Kirkland/Sidley all hire from the same pool - 3.7+ NU and 178.5+ Chicago kids. Just a matter of personality/professional goals/workstyle preferences, etc. where those students land within Chicago for lit.

[Anonymous User]

You sure that's not including Latham Chi data? Latham NY is less selective, certainly much less selective than S&C/DPW/PW(lit) but Latham Chi is incredibly selective, based on NU data.

Latham Chi is not that selective. Received an offer last cycle with a 3.6 GPA from NU. I would not call that incredibly selective. I'm also not URM.

Assuming you were corporate or a non-URM minority who networked well prior to recruiting. Check Latham Chi's lit associate profiles - everyone non-URM from a school lower than T6 has latin honors + externship/clerkship.

You've added more than a handful of qualifiers. If you're limiting this to only Lit, sure Latham Chi is competitive. But so is any other V10 with a Chicago office. FYI latin honors from NU are not hard to get (cum laude). And "externship"? Ok lol.

[Anonymous User]

Both Kirkland Chi and Sidley Chi are more selective than Latham Chi.

Flat out not true for corporate, at least for NU/Chi. Kirkland has to dip below median at both schools to fill their massive classes. Same for Sidley, to a lesser extent. In contrast Latham Chi takes like 20 summers total each year, so they can afford to be very selective. Out of the three, they're the only one that hard cuts at 3.6 at NU, even for corporate.

For litigation, it depends, but Jenner/Latham/Kirkland/Sidley all hire from the same pool - 3.7+ NU and 178.5+ Chicago kids. Just a matter of personality/professional goals/workstyle preferences, etc. where those students land within Chicago for lit.

Latham does not have a hard 3.6 cutoff for corporate, LOL. I can name two people from Northwestern that had Latham chi offers for corporate with a 3.5X. One of them Asian and the other one White. Stop trying to make the myth of Latham selectivity (corporate) happen.

[Anonymous User]

Any recent data from Vanderbilt? Interested in V20-V50. Will Chicago firms be more selective for Vandy students compared to WUSTL or NDLS?

BCLP, Haynes, Locke Lord, Norton, and Foley ask for a 3.3 (~median). Jones Day and O'Melveny want a 3.6.

[Anonymous User]

Both Kirkland Chi and Sidley Chi are more selective than Latham Chi.

Flat out not true for corporate, at least for NU/Chi. Kirkland has to dip below median at both schools to fill their massive classes. Same for Sidley, to a lesser extent. In contrast Latham Chi takes like 20 summers total each year, so they can afford to be very selective. Out of the three, they're the only one that hard cuts at 3.6 at NU, even for corporate.

For litigation, it depends, but Jenner/Latham/Kirkland/Sidley all hire from the same pool - 3.7+ NU and 178.5+ Chicago kids. Just a matter of personality/professional goals/workstyle preferences, etc. where those students land within Chicago for lit.

Latham does not have a hard 3.6 cutoff for corporate, LOL. I can name two people from Northwestern that had Latham chi offers for corporate with a 3.5X. One of them Asian and the other one White. Stop trying to make the myth of Latham selectivity (corporate) happen.

Lmaooo is this the same anon in the other Cornell thread that tried to convince people that Latham NY was more selective than KE NY?