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Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by nickofdime » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:09 am

Incoming first year at NY biglaw. My firm has delayed indefinitely for now. I heard that we are eligible to collect unemployment but have no clue as to how. Any guidance would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by blair.waldorf » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:55 am

Have you tried visiting your state's unemployment website? I would start there. Fill out the application honestly and see if you qualify. Under the CARES Act, it seems like any graduate who was scheduled to start a job and cannot as a result of COVID-19 does qualify for PUA (pandemic unemployment assistance).
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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Access » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:48 am

Which biglaw has delayed indefinitely?

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by bbsexclusively » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:45 pm

Access wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:48 am
Which biglaw has delayed indefinitely?
Many. Actually most of them haven't announced the start date yet.
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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by ChickenSalad » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Access wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:48 am
Which biglaw has delayed indefinitely?
I’m sure OP isn’t willing to share. OP can you give a Vault or Amlaw range?

I may be an optimist but, without knowing the firm or other details, I’d think that this may amount to a delayed start and the firm isn’t sure/hasn’t set a date to start.

Just outright axing the first year class at a big law firm before the start date is extreme. Granted, that your eligible for unemployment benefits seems strange

The firm’s letter may give some indication. Did the letter say anything else about re-evaluating or following up in the coming weeks or months?

Anyway, to answer your question, there should be a lot of guides online from NY agencies or private groups about applying for and receiving benefits. I’m not familiar with NY specifically but that may be quicker than trying to reach out to the unemployment office or another gov agency directly since they’re probably inundated with calls and emails in light of COVID

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:57 pm

ChickenSalad wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm
Access wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:48 am
Which biglaw has delayed indefinitely?
I’m sure OP isn’t willing to share. OP can you give a Vault or Amlaw range?

I may be an optimist but, without knowing the firm or other details, I’d think that this may amount to a delayed start and the firm isn’t sure/hasn’t set a date to start.

Just outright axing the first year class at a big law firm before the start date is extreme. Granted, that your eligible for unemployment benefits seems strange

The firm’s letter may give some indication. Did the letter say anything else about re-evaluating or following up in the coming weeks or months?

Anyway, to answer your question, there should be a lot of guides online from NY agencies or private groups about applying for and receiving benefits. I’m not familiar with NY specifically but that may be quicker than trying to reach out to the unemployment office or another gov agency directly since they’re probably inundated with calls and emails in light of COVID
A few firms have delayed "to 2021" or "to January 2021 at the earliest." This might be what OP is referring to by "indefinitely."

I believe that this person is usually NOT eligible for regular unemployment benefits, but the CARES Act extended eligibility for PUA to recent graduates who were scheduled to start a job but could not (either because their offer was rescinded or their start date deferred) due to the pandemic.

Not legal advice, but this is what I've gathered from researching the issue.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by CHEESEISLYFE » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm

Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Sackboy » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Can we please not start this shit again. There is no breach of contract.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by nixy » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:24 pm

Amen.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by 2013 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:48 am

Sackboy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Can we please not start this shit again. There is no breach of contract.
This. So tired of all of these always ending up with this argument.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by kaiser » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Employment lawyer chiming in here to say no, theres no claim and its not a breach of contract. Not sure why this forum keeps trying to make this a point of discussion.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by ChickenSalad » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:20 pm

kaiser wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:52 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Employment lawyer chiming in here to say no, theres no claim and its not a breach of contract. Not sure why this forum keeps trying to make this a point of discussion.
Yeah this is a constant issue and I don’t know why. Let’s let it die

Why was the original post even anonymous?

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Wild Card » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:27 pm

2013 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:48 am
Sackboy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Can we please not start this shit again. There is no breach of contract.
This. So tired of all of these always ending up with this argument.
He should sue his law school for breach of contract, for effectively charging him $400,000 and yet failing to teach him what a contract is. ;)

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by sparty99 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:40 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Out this fool for their stupidity.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Sackboy » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:03 am

sparty99 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:40 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:39 pm
Just musing here. But if you signed a contract and there is a unilateral involuntary deferral, my instinct is that there is a breach of contract. I am not saying you should or could sue now, but that later on down the line assuming you start and don't last that long (2-3 years etc.) then you may, I guess, have a cause of action. Food for thought and happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
Out this fool for their stupidity.
They should be outed because they abused anon. Nothing in OP's post is remotely identifiable.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by cavalier1138 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:50 am

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by Spectator » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:49 pm

I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

Just kidding, I am the devil. So I ask, why would someone who is deferred from, say, September to January receive unemployment for the period prior to September (when they would not have been working and receiving money from the firm at that time anyway), instead of exclusively for September - January (where they did expect to be working)? Seems premature to me.

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Re: Unemployment for First Year Incoming

Post by woopig2017 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:21 pm

Spectator wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:49 pm
I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

Just kidding, I am the devil. So I ask, why would someone who is deferred from, say, September to January receive unemployment for the period prior to September (when they would not have been working and receiving money from the firm at that time anyway), instead of exclusively for September - January (where they did expect to be working)? Seems premature to me.

Same here, but there are already several stories on reddit of people being paid out now even though they were not supposed to start until the fall. Seems to me that anyone who has been deferred should just apply, and then let their state unemployment commission decide whether to pay

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