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Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by jackshunger » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:40 pm

Do we think there is a large scale move toward this? Seems like it makes a lot of sense if they can get sufficient buy in.

https://www.law.com/2020/03/18/law-scho ... 0218213758


Gavin White, the global hiring partner at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, said any widespread switch to pass/fail grades for the spring would hamper the law firm summer associate hiring process unless on-campus recruiting was pushed back.

“Unless we change the timetable for hiring, you are hiring off of one semester of grades,” he said. “That probably hurts the students who have a less-than-stellar first semester, but otherwise would have been able to show an improvement for the second semester. They are sort of being robbed of that opportunity. That’s something we look at at—particularly students who don’t come from a privileged background may have a slower start at law school, but they figure it out in the second semester.”

With many other law schools examining potential grading changes, it’s possible that some will retain letter grades and others will go to pass/fail—a split outcome that could make the hiring picture murkier for law firm employers, White said. That makes a strong case for moving the summer associate recruiting process back, he said.

“If you only have one semester of grades, it’s hard to get a meaningful and realistic assessment of someone’s academic performance,” White said. “What I would really like to see is schools move on-campus interviews into January and February, where we would have 2L fall grades.”

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by RaceJudicata » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:22 pm

Makes sense to me. Probably should do this every year.

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by AntipodeanPhil » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:51 pm

Yeah, this makes a ton of sense. If they wait until Spring they will probably have a lot more certainty about the market too and be able to hire something closer to normal classes. The tricky thing will be getting all the firms and the law schools to agree to this. No one's going to want to hire the dregs, so unless almost all of the firms agree to this I doubt anyone will. And the elite law schools might fight it, given they've been trying to more their OCIs/EIPs forward.

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by dabigchina » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:19 pm

Honestly, moving OCI back makes sense, even absent coronavirus. Recruiting had become so accelerated that people were applying in early to mid June, sometimes before all of their 1L grades had come back. This put quarter system schools like CHicago and Stanford at a slight disadvantage (slight because those schools place well regardless, but still).

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by QContinuum » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:28 pm

Gavin White, Skadden wrote:Unless we change the timetable for hiring, you are hiring off of one semester of grades. That probably hurts the students who have a less-than-stellar first semester, but otherwise would have been able to show an improvement for the second semester. They are sort of being robbed of that opportunity. That’s something we look at at—particularly students who don’t come from a privileged background may have a slower start at law school, but they figure it out in the second semester.
100% agree. (Though I confess to being biased, as one of the students who had a less-than-stellar first semester who significantly improved in second semester!)
Gavin White, Skadden wrote:With many other law schools examining potential grading changes, it’s possible that some will retain letter grades and others will go to pass/fail—a split outcome that could make the hiring picture murkier for law firm employers
Again, 100% agree. Moreover, even for law schools that retain letter grades, it probably makes sense for employers to "discount" spring 2020 grades to some extent given the massive disruption to typical law school classes and exams, as well as to people's lives and families.

Finally, it also makes sense to react proactively now, because, based on what public health experts are saying, it's entirely possible there'll be a second wave of coronavirus cases in late summer and a second wave of lockdowns. Many Asian countries including China which have already made it through the first wave are even now facing the very real possibility of round 2.

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by jackshunger » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:20 pm

https://www.law.com/2020/03/23/top-law- ... te-hiring/


It seems pretty likely at this point that OCI will be moved back

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by Windjammer » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:48 pm

dabigchina wrote:Honestly, moving OCI back makes sense, even absent coronavirus. Recruiting had become so accelerated that people were applying in early to mid June, sometimes before all of their 1L grades had come back.
Totally agree. If anything, the situation is even worse. This year, TX firms (LW/KE/VE/etc) hired 1Ls without any grades out. Offers weren't contingent on fall semester GPA either.

Firms' current race to the bottom can't escalate much farther, short of hiring 1Ls in freshers' week based on their dress code. Don't forget who to thank for that: NALP rescinding decades-long ethics principles for 1L hiring.

Can only applaud law firms wanting to course correct. Clear downside is that current 1Ls will be in full on anxiety until 2L spring to lock their 2L SAs.

P.S. A propos NALP, they just posted this:
"In recent days there have been calls for NALP to influence the upcoming recruiting process by moving it to January 2021. While it would certainly be reasonable to reevaluate the timing of recruiting during the COVID-19 pandemic, mandating a specific timeframe for when the recruitment season should take place is not something that NALP is able to do. NALP stands between the highly regulated world of higher education and the incredibly competitive free market of legal employment. NALP does not have authority to regulate the market. As the primary professional association for our members, however, we can embolden our members to maintain the highest ethical standards, and to strive for policies and procedures that are bound by reasonableness and that provide all members with the flexibility necessary to move forward in an incredibly uncertain marketplace."
(Source: https://www.nalp.org/principles)

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by QContinuum » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:01 pm

NALP wrote:NALP stands between the highly regulated world of higher education and the incredibly competitive free market of legal employment. NALP does not have authority to regulate the market.
This is kinda rich coming from NALP, the (in)famous setter of the industry-wide no-hiring-before-Dec. 1 rule that affected generations of 1Ls across the country.

NALP absolutely could - and, IMO, should - delay OCI. While technically NALP is correct that it does not legally have the "authority to regulate the market", trying to argue that technicality frankly takes us into the realm of absurdity. In practice, everyone knows - and NALP knows - that NALP has the authority to delay OCI. If NALP "recommends" delaying OCI until, say, after February 1, 2021 due to public health concerns, no firm and no school will defy NALP by holding an earlier OCI.

Further, not only does NALP have the authority to make such a "recommendation", NALP is the only entity that is in a position to do so. The only alternative would be for law schools to organize and collectively postpone OCI, but thanks to the collective action problem, any such law school initiative would be as likely to fall apart as judicial hiring plans for clerks.

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Re: Skadden's Head of Recruiting Wants to Move EIP to Spring 2021

Post by shinydunsparce » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:27 am

Columbia is officially moving their OCI to January

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