Simpson v. Weil v. PW Forum

[Anonymous User]

Looking for some guidance in making my decision. Of the offers I have, these are the 3 that I'm debating between. Looking to do corporate work, but still open to doing bankruptcy (although I wouldn't go to Weil just for that as I'm not sure it's what I want to do). Looking to make my decision based on culture/work environment, and a place that is not as intense (relative to other NY v10 firms).

[Anonymous User]

FWIW the three are very different bankruptcy shops:

Weil: a+ debtor shop, either best or 2nd best (K&E) depending on who you ask
PW: elite creditor shop with fund clients from other parts of business (eg Apollo). They also do a bit of debtor work, but it's a creditor practice.
STB: not big in restructuring, but trying to grow given their fund clients. Do a bit on both sides. Really trying to build a special situations group.

While culture is sort of a crapshoot and depends on partner / practice, Weil's culture is generally well regarded from what I've heard. PW's modified lockstep isn't lockstep: while you don't have the worst eat what you kill stuff (eg K&E), friends there inform me that it's seeping into the culture a bit. No idea on STB's culture, sorry.

[Anonymous User]

There’s no reason to take Weil over STB and PW unless you’re positive you want to do massive debtor-side bankruptcy filings, which, from what I hear, is a particularly brutal practice for junior associates.

Simpson is known for PE work on the corporate side, but PW has been doing a lot more of that recently and generally growing their corporate practice. Don’t know that Simpson does much if any restructuring work, while PW’s practice focuses on bespoke creditor-side work. If you’re open to both and want to try both I’d recommend summering at PW. STB is always a great choice as well.

[Anonymous User]

Culture at Weil seems great from what I've heard as a counterpoint.

[Anonymous User]

Making basically the same choice with DPW thrown in to the mix. Also thinking between doing restructuring/FIG/funds, depending on where I go. Liked STB, but kind of sad they don't have much restructuring.

[Zipman]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

[thepsychedelic]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

I mean Chambers and Vault are also not great for really distinguishing between the firms. I think the idea is to garner some personal stories

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

The brave anon post lauding chambers over actual experience and trumpeting the recession that’s been imminent for years. Truly an hero

[Zipman]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

The brave anon post lauding chambers over actual experience and trumpeting the recession that’s been imminent for years. Truly an hero

Your critical reading skills need work. I said TLS was useless relative to chambers *unless* you were here for personal stories. This creates an exception for personal experience in the original Chambers>TLS&Vault statement, so the post wasn’t “lauding” anything over actual experience. There’s also nothing wrong with pointing out the recession that’s become even more apparent today and yesterday and how that should be a valuable consideration job search.

Do you have anything useful to share, or are you just here to prove to everyone you can’t read?

[Samark45]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

Love the oh-so-casual-but-confident recession prediction here. But hey eventually you will be right.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

The brave anon post lauding chambers over actual experience and trumpeting the recession that’s been imminent for years. Truly an hero

Your critical reading skills need work. I said TLS was useless relative to chambers *unless* you were here for personal stories. This creates an exception for personal experience in the original Chambers>TLS&Vault statement, so the post wasn’t “lauding” anything over actual experience. There’s also nothing wrong with pointing out the recession that’s become even more apparent today and yesterday and how that should be a valuable consideration job search.

Do you have anything useful to share, or are you just here to prove to everyone you can’t read?

Nah just here to call out dumb anons.

[Zipman]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

Love the oh-so-casual-but-confident recession prediction here. But hey eventually you will be right.

You don’t read the news often, do you?

[cavalier1138]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

Love the oh-so-casual-but-confident recession prediction here. But hey eventually you will be right.

You don’t read the news often, do you?

Brave and insightful posts like this are why the anon feature was created.

[nealric]

Y’all should be on Chambers- Vault and TLS are basically useless unless you want personal stories from people that have summered already at these firms. Might want to also consider which of them is best-positioned for the recession we’re going to see in the new few months. I’d put money on PW and Weil during economic downturn.

Love the oh-so-casual-but-confident recession prediction here. But hey eventually you will be right.

You don’t read the news often, do you?

User Zipman Outed for Anon Abuse. Please to not use the anon feature unless posting personal or sensitive information.

[soft blue]

DM me. essentially choosing between the same places with similar priorities to you.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Zipman is a law student. I am very surprised a law student was posting anon and recommending chambers.

[Zipman]

Zipman is a law student. I am very surprised a law student was posting anon and recommending chambers.

I really didn’t think the Chambers>Vault opinion was an uncommon or offensive one. As I implied originally, personal experience is likely more valuable than either. I also didn’t think it was ridiculous to tell incoming SAs to consider the possible effects of a recession on their firm, as it’s something that I heard talked a lot about this summer.

I also don’t know what’s surprising about a law student using the anon feature/recommending a resource I found helpful during my job search, but I digress. I’m sure this person will be happy wherever they end up.

(Replied anon on accident above)

[RedPurpleBlue]

Zipman is a law student. I am very surprised a law student was posting anon and recommending chambers.

I also don’t know what’s surprising about a law student using the anon feature/recommending a resource I found helpful during my job search, but I digress. I’m sure this person will be happy wherever they end up.

(Replied anon on accident above)

The classic (1) get outed as anon, (2) defends use of anon, and (3) claim you only accidentally anoned 2x. I don't think anyone had any huge problems with your opinions. The biggest problem is that you abused a feature meant for the disclosure of personally-sensitive information. You did not need to use anon to recommend chambers. Stop playing stupid. Don't abuse anon.

As for OP, I can't speak to PW or STB, but I do have some friends at Weil who seem genuinely happy with the firm culture. It's just an anecdote, but that's all I've got.

[Zipman]

Zipman is a law student. I am very surprised a law student was posting anon and recommending chambers.

I also don’t know what’s surprising about a law student using the anon feature/recommending a resource I found helpful during my job search, but I digress. I’m sure this person will be happy wherever they end up.

(Replied anon on accident above)

The classic (1) get outed as anon, (2) defends use of anon, and (3) claim you only accidentally anoned 2x. I don't think anyone had any huge problems with your opinions. The biggest problem is that you abused a feature meant for the disclosure of personally-sensitive information. You did not need to use anon to recommend chambers. Stop playing stupid. Don't abuse anon.

As for OP, I can't speak to PW or STB, but I do have some friends at Weil who seem genuinely happy with the firm culture. It's just an anecdote, but that's all I've got.

I was referring to the anon post that just says “Below”, which was an accident.