2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others) Forum

[monkeybaby5888]

Let's get this party started.

Provide updates for interviews, callbacks, offers.

Ask questions about job fairs, minority fairs, OCI, mass mailing, etc.

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2015
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The Texas 100 (Texas Lawyer 2016)

2017 Best Firms in Texas (Vault)
1. Baker Botts
2. Vinson & Elkins
3. Susman Godfrey
4. Norton Rose Fulbright
5. Latham & Watkins
6. Jones Day
7. Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld
8. Haynes & Boone
9. Andrews Kurth Kenyon
10. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
11. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
12. Bracewell
13. Locke Lord
14. Sidley Austin
15. Thompson & Knight
16. Jackson Walker
17. King & Spalding
18. Beck Redden
19. Winstead
20. mckool smith
21. Baker & Hostetler
22. Gardere Wynne Sewell
23. Mayer Brown
24. Porter Hedges
25. Strasburger & Price
26. Gibbs & Bruns
27. Hunton & Williams
28. Yetter Coleman
29. Kelly Hart & Hallman
30. Brewer, Attorneys & Counselors

[AFS]

As a note, Beirne Maynard and Parsons no longer exists. I think most of the partners who were there went to Akerman.

[Neff]

FYI, the first 100 largest firms list is very outdated -- many of the firms on there have are defunct/merged. And the second list is missing the many out-of-state firms that have come in (esp to Houston) and taken big chunks out of local shops like BB, V&E, and NRF.

Let's get this party started.

Provide updates for interviews, callbacks, offers.

Ask questions about job fairs, minority fairs, OCI, mass mailing, etc.

Previous threads:

2016
2015
2014
2013

Largest Firms in Texas (Texas Lawyer)
1. Akin Gump
2. Fulbright & Jaworski
3. Vinson & Elkins
4. Baker Botts
5. Jenkens & Gilchrist
6. Haynes & Boone
7. Locke Liddell & Sapp
8. Andrews & Kurth
9. Thompson & Knight
10. Bracewell & Patterson
11. Winstead Sechrest & Minick
12. Jackson Walker
13. Gardere Wynne Sewell
14. Strasburger & Price
15. Jones Day
16. Brown McCarroll
17. Hughes & Luce
18. Godwin Gruber
19. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
20. Clark, Thomas & Winters
21. Beirne, Maynard & Parsons
22. Thompson, Coe, Cousins & Irons
23. Chamberlain Hrdlicka White Williams & Martin
24. Cantey & Hanger
25. Cox & Smith
26. Munsch Hardt Kopf & Harr
27. Carrington, Coleman, Sloman & Blumenthal
28. Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson
29. Porter & Hedges
30. Kelly, Hart & Hallman


2017 Best Firms in Texas (Vault)
1. Baker Botts
2. Vinson & Elkins
3. Susman Godfrey
4. Norton Rose Fulbright
5. Latham & Watkins
6. Jones Day
7. Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld
8. Haynes & Boone
9. Andrews Kurth Kenyon
10. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
11. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
12. Bracewell
13. Locke Lord
14. Sidley Austin
15. Thompson & Knight
16. Jackson Walker
17. King & Spalding
18. Beck Redden
19. Winstead
20. McKool Smith
21. Baker & Hostetler
22. Gardere Wynne Sewell
23. Mayer Brown
24. Porter Hedges
25. Strasburger & Price
26. Gibbs & Bruns
27. Hunton & Williams
28. Yetter Coleman
29. Kelly Hart & Hallman
30. Brewer, Attorneys & Counselors

[Anonymous User]

Any insight on the best litigation practices in Dallas/Houston?

[monkeybaby5888]

FYI, the first 100 largest firms list is very outdated -- many of the firms on there have are defunct/merged. And the second list is missing the many out-of-state firms that have come in (esp to Houston) and taken big chunks out of local shops like BB, V&E, and NRF.

Yeah, these aren't all inclusive. Just some stuff online for quick reference, I went ahead and removed the "Texas Lawyers" list....it is too outdated to be useful. Any suggestions on where to find a better list?

[favabeansoup]

http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tx/TX-Top100-Charts-0816.pdf


Still a little outdated by like ~2 ish years but I like this lists a lot. Breaks it down by specific office numbers as well.

Some firms have gotten a lot bigger since, others have come in, but I think it's mostly accurate.

[monkeybaby5888]

http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tx/TX-Top100-Charts-0816.pdf


Still a little outdated by like ~2 ish years but I like this lists a lot. Breaks it down by specific office numbers as well.

Some firms have gotten a lot bigger since, others have come in, but I think it's mostly accurate.

Thanks! I added this to the first post.

[Anonymous User]

http://www.vault.com/company-rankings/l ... sRankID=14

Updated Texas Vault rankings released today.

[nothingtosee]

Vault is just not helpful for Texas.

No one is really choosing between V&E/BB and Susman - they are completely different beasts.

Check out Chambers and Partners for practice group rankings:

It's not perfect, but it's so much better than Vault.

Here's their Corporate/M&A list; you should check whatever you're interested in

https://www.chambersandpartners.com/132 ... torial/5/1

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.

That is based solely on your school and every school is different. It is probably on the instructions....

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.

If you're at UT, should be first week of July and presumably before the OCI bid date deadline. TLR will make offers first, then other journals follow a couple days later.

[BigZuck]

Tagging to potentially offer advice, but mostly for the egregious abuse of the anonymous posting feature.

[thisiswater]

smu is first week of july too. you'll get a phone call from law review if you make that one, no clue on the others

[Roy McAvoy]

smu is first week of july too. you'll get a phone call from law review if you make that one, no clue on the others

I believe the other journals call as well.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone else here doing UT's New York Job Fair? I applied and got 5 interviews but I'm looking at the cost of flights and hotels and wondering if it's better to just wait for OCI and bid there.

[StylinNProfilin]

UT Grad who did the NY Job Fair. Definitely think its worth it if you have any interest in New York. Not much competition compared to Regular OCI (only ~40 students attended my year). I got 7 interviews and landed 3 callbacks with around median grades. Welcome to PM me if you want specifics regarding various firms.

[BigZuck]

Yeah I think it's definitely worth it if you have any interest at all in NY and probably worth it even if you don't just to get the pre-OCI experience.

[cannibal ox]

Yeah I think it's definitely worth it if you have any interest at all in NY and probably worth it even if you don't just to get the pre-OCI experience.

Co-sign to all of this.

Do it.

[Hikikomorist]

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[Anonymous User]

1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock

[favabeansoup]

1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock

Need more information on your GPA and offices of some of these firms (a few of them interview for more than one).

Edit: what I mean is right now you are all over the board. Dallas, California, Houston, New York.

Where are you actually trying to work and what your GPA will be helpful.

[Anonymous User]

1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock

Need more information on your GPA and offices of some of these firms (a few of them interview for more than one).

Just wondering if you'd be able to give the relative desirability amongst students/how high one needs to bid certain firms to get them via lottery. I have a fair sense of GPA requirements and I have a fair sense on which ones of these will be unlikely but I'd like to interview at them if I can all the same. I've specified most of the ones that have multiple slots in OCI. (I didn't specify firms like Norton Rose & Jones Day because they just have one entry for all offices vs. firms like Sidley who has a dedicated Dallas/Houston/NYC/etc.)

[Anonymous User]

Any advice for OOS UT student - 3.54 gpa. Assuming I should target Houston? What would be a safe top 5-10 firms?

[cannibal ox]

Any advice for OOS UT student - 3.54 gpa. Assuming I should target Houston? What would be a safe top 5-10 firms?

Do the NYC job fair. Target the offices with the largest class sizes (check NALP). Mass mail your ass off.

That's not saying your GPA is bad. It's good. But no one is safe.