Reneging 4 Weeks Later Forum

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:18 pm

Accepted an offer from a DA's office about 4 weeks ago. However, my number #1 law firm just extended an offer and I am inclined to take it.

The Career Services Office tells me not to renege. How big of a deal is it to renege in this situation? I am essentially screwing over this DA office because they won't be able to hire a replacement. Also- I interviewed with the firm before I accepted the DA offer and the DA office only gave me a week to decide.

Hikikomorist · Post by **Hikikomorist** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:20 pm

Definitely renege.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:26 pm

Renege. I reneged on the USAO, don't regret it at all. They give you a week and its ridiculous.

Mr. Archer · Post by **Mr. Archer** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:27 pm

No reason not to renege. DA will find someone else.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:29 pm

Seriously, renege. This is your life, don't make decisions that you don't want to make just because you don't want to offend anyone. Not like to DA office will fall apart.

acr · Post by **acr** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:32 pm

Renege. And tell career services to go fuck themselves while you're at it. They're worried about preserving their reputation with the DA, they're not looking out for your best interest.

trebekismyhero · Post by **trebekismyhero** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:09 pm

acr wrote:Renege. And tell career services to go fuck themselves while you're at it. They're worried about preserving their reputation with the DA, they're not looking out for your best interest.

This

Voyager · Post by **Voyager** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:14 pm

If you want to go to the law firm, you will never be an ADA ever anyway. It will have ZERO IMPACT ON YOU EVER. ZERO.

Also, all of these attorneys will happily rescind offers and screw over new graduates at the drop of a hat. That includes DA offices.

And career services is out for themselves.

So how big of a deal is this? Not even a deal... let alone a big one.

Take care of yourself and do what is right for YOU.

RENEGE.

LaLiLuLeLo · Post by **LaLiLuLeLo** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:09 pm

Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.

dixiecupdrinking · Post by **dixiecupdrinking** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:44 am

LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.

This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.

Lacepiece23 · Post by **Lacepiece23** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:01 am

dixiecupdrinking wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.
This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.

How is it unethical? They work for the school.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:29 am

Going to stay anon for this, but my career services is former biglaw and they gave me advice to reneg FWIW.

Mr. Archer · Post by **Mr. Archer** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:59 am

Lacepiece23 wrote:
dixiecupdrinking wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.
This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.
How is it unethical? They work for the school.

Career services employees are there to help students with, you know, their careers. So giving advice that benefits the school as opposed to the student is a problem.

dixiecupdrinking · Post by **dixiecupdrinking** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:29 pm

Mr. Archer wrote:
Lacepiece23 wrote:
dixiecupdrinking wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.
This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.
How is it unethical? They work for the school.
Career services employees are there to help students with, you know, their careers. So giving advice that benefits the school as opposed to the student is a problem.

Exactly. I'm not accusing anyone of breaching a legal duty or anything, but misleading students about what's in their best interest in order to protect the school is murky at best.

Lacepiece23 · Post by **Lacepiece23** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:31 pm

dixiecupdrinking wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
Lacepiece23 wrote:
dixiecupdrinking wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.
This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.
How is it unethical? They work for the school.
Career services employees are there to help students with, you know, their careers. So giving advice that benefits the school as opposed to the student is a problem.
Exactly. I'm not accusing anyone of breaching a legal duty or anything, but misleading students about what's in their best interest in order to protect the school is murky at best.

Yeah I guess, I just never really placed much faith in them in the first place, and have always done my own independent research on this type of stuff. I just thought it was kind of common sense that they care about getting the most people employed possible to help the school look better and this may or may not align if your interest.

Edit: If I listened to my pre-law advisor I would have not retaken the LSAT and attend my local TTT.

Mr. Archer · Post by **Mr. Archer** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:58 pm

dixiecupdrinking wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
Lacepiece23 wrote:
dixiecupdrinking wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:Remember kiddos - career services is like HR. They're there to look out for the school's best interests, not yours.
This makes me so angry and is borderline unethical, but I guess it's true.
How is it unethical? They work for the school.
Career services employees are there to help students with, you know, their careers. So giving advice that benefits the school as opposed to the student is a problem.
Exactly. I'm not accusing anyone of breaching a legal duty or anything, but misleading students about what's in their best interest in order to protect the school is murky at best.

No, it's not murky at all. It doesn't have to be a legal duty to be unethical. It' unethical to appear to be helping one person but really acting against them to help someone else.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:04 pm

It's not like it's unclear who actually pays the career advisors, though, or hard to imagine that they want to preserve relationships with firms for future students. (It's still dumb advice but I agree that students should be savvy enough to consider the source.)

Toni V · Post by **Toni V** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:37 pm

I know someone that accepted a small firm offer and later received a BL offer with a significantly higher income. Career service strongly advised that she not renege. So yeah, it’s obvious that career service is not looking out for you - since career service will never convince the school to discount your tuition debt they need to back-off their guilt-trip tactic on reneging.

(FWIW: In some states one question on the bar application asks if you have ever reneged. If there are any ramifications if you answer yes, I do not know, just a heads-up.)

unlicensedpotato · Post by **unlicensedpotato** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Toni V wrote:I know someone that accepted a small firm offer and later received a BL offer with a significantly higher income. Career service strongly advised that she not renege. So yeah, it’s obvious that career service is not looking out for you - since career service will never convince the school to discount your tuition debt they need to back-off their guilt-trip tactic on reneging.

(FWIW: In some states one question on the bar application asks if you have ever reneged. If there are any ramifications if you answer yes, I do not know, just a heads-up.)

lol, I would love to hear how they define "renege" for these purposes. It's not like there's a signed (or probably even verbal) contract in most instances.

Q15: "Have you ever told someone you would do something, and then not done it? Please list all instances."

(This is good information to have though)

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:23 pm

Except that I don't trust the source at all and I don't think it's true. Give us even one state that asks about reneging, Toni.

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:43 pm

I know everyone has said it, but seriously dude, you come first. Do what's right for you.

As to career offices, don't get me started. I didn't realize how naive I was until later on in the game. They definitely do not look out for your own interests once those interests are in conflict with the school's interests. It's sad because they tell you how they're there for you and whatnot, and if you know nothing else, it's very easy to believe them.

mjb447 · Post by **mjb447** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:19 pm

Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah I guess, I just never really placed much faith in them in the first place, and have always done my own independent research on this type of stuff. I just thought it was kind of common sense that they care about getting the most people employed possible to help the school look better and this may or may not align if your interest.

A. Nony Mouse wrote:It's not like it's unclear who actually pays the career advisors, though, or hard to imagine that they want to preserve relationships with firms for future students. (It's still dumb advice but I agree that students should be savvy enough to consider the source.)

Agreed. Obviously it sucks that career services has incentives that prevent them from giving each individual student the best possible advice, but it's also not worth having a chip on your shoulder about.

elendinel · Post by **elendinel** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:29 pm

Congrats!

You're going to make an ADA hopeful very happy, lol.

unlicensedpotato · Post by **unlicensedpotato** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:33 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Except that I don't trust the source at all and I don't think it's true. Give us even one state that asks about reneging, Toni.

Good point, almost certainly not true. I tend to believe almost anything about state bar weirdness.

2014 · Post by **2014** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:08 pm

Lol at the DAs office not being able to replace you - you could have started last week and they could replace you by tomorrow

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