DOJ Honors 2016-2017 Cycle: Application Status Tracker in the OP - Please update! Forum

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get selected as a finalist for BOP or FBI?

Another BOP Interviewee here, no word yet.

[Anonymous User]

How likely is it that EOIR will actually pick finalists by Nov. 18th?

[Anonymous User]

How likely is it that EOIR will actually pick finalists by Nov. 18th?

This forum is about the hiring process and getting jobs:

(1) Can we please stop speculating/asking for speculation? Use this Board for questions people can actually answer, and update the google spreadsheet.

(2) Your hate for the incoming president is irrelevant. I am glad so many people have the luxury of preemptively conscientiously opposing a career option, but I don't. Save your snobbery for the ivory tower you usually look down on society from, and use this forum to discuss the DOJ hiring process.

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[Anonymous User]

How likely is it that EOIR will actually pick finalists by Nov. 18th?

(2) Your hate for the incoming president is irrelevant. I am glad so many people have the luxury of preemptively conscientiously opposing a career option, but I don't. Save your snobbery for the ivory tower you usually look down on society from, and use this forum to discuss the DOJ hiring process.

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If you have other priorities that's fine but it is totally legitimate to consider the ramifications of the work we would be doing. Hell, the meaningfulness of the work is one of the biggest selling points of going into government service; otherwise, why not just make twice as much in biglaw? We all have important decisions to make and this thread is a fine place for us to start getting our heads around what we're going to do. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion at least try to complain with less condescension.

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How likely is it that EOIR will actually pick finalists by Nov. 18th?

(2) Your hate for the incoming president is irrelevant. I am glad so many people have the luxury of preemptively conscientiously opposing a career option, but I don't. Save your snobbery for the ivory tower you usually look down on society from, and use this forum to discuss the DOJ hiring process.

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If you have other priorities that's fine but it is totally legitimate to consider the ramifications of the work we would be doing. Hell, the meaningfulness of the work is one of the biggest selling points of going into government service; otherwise, why not just make twice as much in biglaw? We all have important decisions to make and this thread is a fine place for us to start getting our heads around what we're going to do. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion at least try to complain with less condescension.

Seconded.

[Anonymous User]

Third. Many people expressed their concerns about how the new Administration would affect the work they may potentially be doing at DOJ. Current DOJ employees have also expressed their concerns. The only snobbery I see here is from your post which was only intended to be critical, condescending, and hurtful. I truly hope that someone with such lack of empathy is not offered employment with such an important organization.

[Anonymous User]

If you have other priorities that's fine but it is totally legitimate to consider the ramifications of the work we would be doing. Hell, the meaningfulness of the work is one of the biggest selling points of going into government service; otherwise, why not just make twice as much in biglaw? We all have important decisions to make and this thread is a fine place for us to start getting our heads around what we're going to do. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion at least try to complain with less condescension.

Third. Many people expressed their concerns about how the new Administration would affect the work they may potentially be doing at DOJ. Current DOJ employees have also expressed their concerns. The only snobbery I see here is from your post which was only intended to be critical, condescending, and hurtful. I truly hope that someone with such lack of empathy is not offered employment with such an important organization.

To clarify, I was asking everyone to try and limit their speculation. I assume we are all here to do good rather than well, and check this forum for helpful information regarding that goal. But, flooding the board with speculation about what may occur after this hiring process has concluded seems outside the scope. It's OK to disagree and apparently I stand alone in that belief. As for the personal attack: if you think empathy means withdrawing before you might have to stand up for your morals, consider that evil triumphs when good men stand down.

[Anonymous User]

If you have other priorities that's fine but it is totally legitimate to consider the ramifications of the work we would be doing. Hell, the meaningfulness of the work is one of the biggest selling points of going into government service; otherwise, why not just make twice as much in biglaw? We all have important decisions to make and this thread is a fine place for us to start getting our heads around what we're going to do. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion at least try to complain with less condescension.

Third. Many people expressed their concerns about how the new Administration would affect the work they may potentially be doing at DOJ. Current DOJ employees have also expressed their concerns. The only snobbery I see here is from your post which was only intended to be critical, condescending, and hurtful. I truly hope that someone with such lack of empathy is not offered employment with such an important organization.

To clarify, I was asking everyone to try and limit their speculation. I assume we are all here to do good rather than well, and check this forum for helpful information regarding that goal. But, flooding the board with speculation about what may occur after this hiring process has concluded seems outside the scope. It's OK to disagree and apparently I stand alone in that belief. As for the personal attack: if you think empathy means withdrawing before you might have to stand up for your morals, consider that evil triumphs when good men stand down.

The empathy comment was made in response to the tone of your board message, where you clearly did not even begin to even try to show understanding for how relevant the views of the new Administration might be to your fellow applicants' decisions. I'm not sure how you read it otherwise. Empathy means trying to understand why people have concerns and may want to withdraw, instead of dismissing it as irrelevant. We all need to make an informed decision. Avoiding speculation is not the same thing as considering the statements made by Trump and the political stances and track records of the people on the short list for Attorney General. Perhaps the first poster said it best - your response did not contribute to the discussion. If you think people's posts are speculative and irrelevant, disregard them. You don't have to come out and be rude unnecessarily. I stand by my comment, I would not want to work with you. The irony of your final sentence baffles me.

[Anonymous User]

I'm a tax finalist (ETA: interviewee. got ahead of myself there...), and I haven't seen any updates just as an fyi.

The current positions are baked into the budget. They wouldn't be hiring if the money wasn't going to be there to fund you. That said, Trump's plan is to impose a hiring freeze and reduce the force through attrition. Whether or not that is actually as it plays out is TBD, but, for now, it appears that planned layoffs are not part of the plan.

I want to know if the Honors Program is something baked into a statute or is something totally discretionary, not even an agency reg, for how DOJ hires.

[Anonymous User]

baked into a statute

lol no

totally discretionary

yes

[Nebby]

If you have other priorities that's fine but it is totally legitimate to consider the ramifications of the work we would be doing. Hell, the meaningfulness of the work is one of the biggest selling points of going into government service; otherwise, why not just make twice as much in biglaw? We all have important decisions to make and this thread is a fine place for us to start getting our heads around what we're going to do. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion at least try to complain with less condescension.

Third. Many people expressed their concerns about how the new Administration would affect the work they may potentially be doing at DOJ. Current DOJ employees have also expressed their concerns. The only snobbery I see here is from your post which was only intended to be critical, condescending, and hurtful. I truly hope that someone with such lack of empathy is not offered employment with such an important organization.

To clarify, I was asking everyone to try and limit their speculation. I assume we are all here to do good rather than well, and check this forum for helpful information regarding that goal. But, flooding the board with speculation about what may occur after this hiring process has concluded seems outside the scope. It's OK to disagree and apparently I stand alone in that belief. As for the personal attack: if you think empathy means withdrawing before you might have to stand up for your morals, consider that evil triumphs when good men stand down.

Lol it's a fucking forum where people are free to discuss whatever they want. You are neurotic as hell

[Anonymous User]

baked into a statute

lol no

totally discretionary

yes

It's discretionary, but it has also been around for 30+ years.

[Anonymous User]

I interviewed last week...my status still says selected for interview but my friend's says "closed" ...does that mean she didn't get anything?

Your friend is looking at the wrong site.

Anyone who interviewed for Crim-reg. trial attorney know if their references were checked?

[Anonymous User]

baked into a statute

lol no

totally discretionary

yes

It's discretionary, but it has also been around for 30+ years.

Fair, but with varying degrees of robustness. The point is: nothing so formal protects the hiring process, and the start date for this cycle is a long time from now. I'm cautiously hopeful that a new administration won't change anything in that regard, but who can really say?

[Anonymous User]

It's happening. Finalist.

[Anonymous User]

According to Deana Crim Trial Attorney and NSD finalists have been posted.

[Anonymous User]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Please update the spreadsheet!

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know if all components are typically uploaded on the same day?

[Anonymous User]

So if status hasn't changed for Crim/trial attorney is it fair to say I haven't been selected? Or do they do rolling?

[Anonymous User]

So if status hasn't changed for Crim/trial attorney is it fair to say I haven't been selected? Or do they do rolling?

Sorry to hear. Anything is possible, but it seems unlikely. If I was in your shoes, I would just assume I haven't been picked.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know if all components are typically uploaded on the same day?

If past years are a guide, no. The internal deadline is 11/18, as noted above. And, if you refer to this, https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/h ... components, the components that have already picked finalists are on the smaller side.

[Anonymous User]

EOIR BIA Up now per Deana on Avue

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a status update for ND Ohio? Alternatively, anyone have the experience where they interviewed for multiple sections, became a finalist for one, and then the others disappeared?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a status update for ND Ohio? Alternatively, anyone have the experience where they interviewed for multiple sections, became a finalist for one, and then the others disappeared?

ND Ohio interviewee here. Nothing yet.

[Anonymous User]

AFMLS and FBI; AFML just dropped and FBI is still there, sooo I'm not sure what that means? There was no change to my status...