2017 Vault 100 Rankings Released Forum

[Abbie Doobie]

2017 Vault 100 - http://www.vault.com/company-rankings/l ... -100/?pg=4
Press Release - http://www.vault.com/blog/vaults-law-bl ... -for-2017/


+1 1 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
-1 2 Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
NC 3 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and Affiliates
NC 4 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP
NC 5 Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
NC 6 Simpson Thacher & bartlett llp
+3 7 Latham & Watkins LLP
-1 8 Kirkland & Ellis LLP
-1 9 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
+1 10 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
-2 11 Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
+2 12 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
NC 13 Covington & Burling LLP
+3 14 sidley austin llp
NC 15 Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP
-4 16 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
-1 17 Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
+1 18 Jones Day
-1 19 Williams & Connolly LLP
NC 20 White & Case LLP
+2 21 Ropes & Gray LLP
-1 22 WilmerHale
-1 23 Morrison & Foerster LLP
NC 24 paul hastings llp
NC 25 Arnold & Porter LLP
NC 26 O'Melveny & Myers LLP
NC 27 Clifford Chance US LLP
+4 28 Baker & McKenzie
NC 29 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
+6 30 proskauer rose llp
+2 31 Hogan Lovells LLP
+3 32 goodwin procter llp
+7 33 Linklaters LLP (US)
NC 34 mayer brown llp
+3 35 cooley llp
-6 36 Shearman & Sterling LLP
-6 37 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP
-10 38 Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP
+8 39 K&L Gates LLP
+1 40 Allen & Overy LLP
+1 41 DLA Piper
-5 42 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
NC 43 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
+1 44 Baker Botts LLP
-6 45 Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP
-2 46 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
+4 47 Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati
NC 48 freshfields bruckhaus deringer LLP
+1 49 King & Spalding
-4 50 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
+4 51 Dechert LLP
+4 52 Greenberg Traurig, LLP
-4 53 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
-1 54 Winston & Strawn LLP
+3 55 Alston & Bird LLP
+3 56 Perkins Coie LLP
-3 57 Jenner & Block LLP
-6 58 Irell & Manella LLP
-2 59 McDermott Will & Emery LLP
NR 60 susman godfrey llp
-1 61 Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP
-1 62 Vinson & Elkins LLP
+1 63 Baker & Hostetler LLP
-1 64 Holland & Knight LLP
-3 65 Reed Smith LLP
-1 66 Crowell & Moring LLP
NC 67 nixon peabody llp
+12 68 Dentons
-3 69 Fish & Richardson P.C.
-1 70 Kaye Scholer LLP
NC 71 Bryan Cave LLP
-4 72 Foley & Lardner LLP
-1 73 Norton Rose Fulbright
-4 74 Steptoe & Johnson LLP
+1 75 venable llp
-3 76 Chadbourne & Parke LLP
-2 77 Fenwick & West LLP
+4 78 squire patton boggs LLP
-1 79 arent fox llp
-1 80 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
-4 81 mcguirewoods LLP
-8 82 Hunton & Williams LLP
-2 83 Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP
+4 84 locke lord llp
NC 85 katten muchin rosenman llp
-3 86 Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
NC 87 Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP
-2 88 seyfarth shaw llp
+9 89 blank rome llp
NR 90 Keker & Van Nest LLP
-2 91 Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo, P.C.
-2 92 Pepper Hamilton LLP
+3 93 Haynes and Boone, LLP
NR 94 fox rothschild llp
-1 95 duane morris llp
NR 96 Littler Mendelson P.C.
NR 97 Kellogg, Huber, Hansen, Todd, Evans & Figel, PLLC
-3 98 Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP
-15 99 bracewell llp
-8 100 Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP


New Entries:
Susman Godfrey Keker & Van Nest
Fox Rothschild
Littler Mendelson
Kellogg, Huber, Hansen, Todd, Evans & Figel

Dropouts:
Dorsey & Whitney
Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner
Manatt, Phelps & Phillips
Troutman Sanders

[sublime]

Wow Cravath.

ETA: Also thanks for making the list with changes if you did that, OP.

[Abbie Doobie]

Wow Cravath.

ETA: Also thanks for making the list with changes if you did that, OP.

I did, so let me know if there are any errors in the deltas and I'll update the op.

[GreenEggs]

Is there normally movement like this or does it stay pretty stable?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

How do I lateral as an incoming 1st year. This slide is unacceptable.

[Anonymous User]

Wonder why Debevoise didn't move up.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Although these are useless as ever, Shearman's free fall is pretty pronounced.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Although these are useless as ever, Shearman's free fall is pretty pronounced.

It's interesting to see Shearman and Milbank drop the last couple of years. Wonder if that reflects anything on the heavily transactional NYC firms.

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone explain why K&L Gates had one of the biggest jumps on the list?

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Reminder: Vault is entirely flame.

Prediction: That won't stop you preftige-titillated chucklefucks from making this a 100+ post thread.

[sublime]

Reminder: Vault is entirely flame.

Prediction: That won't stop you preftige-titillated chucklefucks from making this a 100+ post thread.

But like the USNWR, it's kinda fun.

[Pokemon]

Cravath raised salaries and we appropriately matched their ranking.

[sublime]

Cravath raised salaries and we appropriately matched their ranking.

Surveys were done before, I believe, but it is kinda nice.

[Tiago Splitter]

Reminder: Vault is entirely flame.

Prediction: That won't stop you preftige-titillated chucklefucks from making this a 100+ post thread.

Your bump is appreciated in our effort to reach triple digits.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Can anyone explain why K&L Gates had one of the biggest jumps on the list?

Because enough junior associates thought it was a 5 instead of a 4 on the prestige scale to move its score up by 0.01.

[sublime]

So do they just give associates a list of like 100+ firms and ask you to rate their prestige from 1 to 5?

[Tiago Splitter]

So do they just give associates a list of like 100+ firms and ask you to rate their prestige from 1 to 5?

It was like 160 firms. I think the scale was 1-10. Then it lets you answer questions about your own firm.

[Actus Reus]

So do they just give associates a list of like 100+ firms and ask you to rate their prestige from 1 to 5?

The list of firms is so fricken long. You can rank any firm you want. Usually that's based on whether I've heard of the firm or not.

There's a bevy of queries for a whole bunch of factors. I guess they actualize the data at some point and spit out a ranking.

[sublime]

So do they just give associates a list of like 100+ firms and ask you to rate their prestige from 1 to 5?

It was like 160 firms. I think the scale was 1-10. Then it lets you answer questions about your own firm.

What do you do with firms you haven't heard of? Just give a low rating or not answer?

ETA: Interesting. Thanks AR.

[Tiago Splitter]

So do they just give associates a list of like 100+ firms and ask you to rate their prestige from 1 to 5?

It was like 160 firms. I think the scale was 1-10. Then it lets you answer questions about your own firm.

What do you do with firms you haven't heard of? Just give a low rating or not answer?

ETA: Interesting. Thanks AR.

I think I randomly gave ratings to about 20 of them. Left the rest blank.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Seriously, once you have actually done the Vault survey, you understand why these rankings are less than useless. It's complete nonsense.

[sublime]

Seriously, once you have actually done the Vault survey, you understand why these rankings are less than useless. It's complete nonsense.

This is kinda a different topic, but how does Chambers come up with its Bands?

[Single-Malt-Liquor]

Wachtell associates seek to flee in DROVES only to be snapped back by platinum ball and chain.

[Avian]

Seriously, once you have actually done the Vault survey, you understand why these rankings are less than useless. It's complete nonsense.

This is kinda a different topic, but how does Chambers come up with its Bands?

Marginally better, at least they talk to clients and do independent research, but still obviously very subjective.
http://www.chambersandpartners.com/methodology

[sublime]

Seriously, once you have actually done the Vault survey, you understand why these rankings are less than useless. It's complete nonsense.

This is kinda a different topic, but how does Chambers come up with its Bands?

Marginally better, at least they talk to clients and do independent research, but still obviously very subjective.
http://www.chambersandpartners.com/methodology

Thanks!