ATL 2016 rankings top transactional law firms by pedigree? Forum

[BizBro]

http://abovethelaw.com/careers/2016-ran ... -pedigree/

lol um what?

[sublime]

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[wolfie_m.]

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[BizBro]

I thought that the outcomes were surprising? Does this mean Freshfields has more t14 attorneys compared to Kirkland?

Corporate Rank Firm Median Rank Mean School IQR
1 Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz 4 3.61
2 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton 4 4.7
3 Davis Polk & Wardwell 4 4.86
4 Cravath, Swaine & Moore 4 4.91
5 Debevoise & Plimpton 4 5.46
6 Sullivan & Cromwell 6 6.14
7 Freshfields 6 7.47
8 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison 7 8.55
9 Simpson Thacher & Bartlett 8 8.24
10 Cahill Gordon & Reindel 10.5 14.88
11 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 11 10.86
12 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom 11 11.58
13 Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati 11 11.72
14 Arnold & Porter 11 11.76
15 Kirkland & Ellis 12 12.07
16 Latham & Watkins 12 12.38
17 Morrison & Foerster 12 13.51
18 Sidley Austin 12 14.67
19 O'Melveny & Myers 12.5 12.88
20 Shearman & Sterling 13 14.14
21 Linklaters 13 14.74
22 Ropes & Gray 13 15.16
23 Willkie Farr & Gallagher 13 15.22
24 Fried Frank 13 16.26
25 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy 14 14.04
26 Allen & Overy 14 15.04
27 Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr 14 15.91
28 Schulte Roth & Zabel 14 16.43
29 Hogan Lovells 14 16.56
30 White & Case 14 18.06
31 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft 14 18.15
32 Weil Gotshal & Manges 14 18.68
33 Vinson & Elkins 15 14.7
34 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld 15 19.73
35 Baker & McKenzie 15 22.89
36 Cooley 16 18.64
37 Dechert 17 21.64
38 King & Spalding 19 22.46
39 Foley & Lardner 20 21.48
40 Bingham McCutchen 20 21.87

[smaug]

This makes me happy only because it'll make Skadden bros very angry.

[Abbie Doobie]

ljl at bingham at #40

[LALaw90210]

What does "firm's relevant lawyers" mean?

I'm assuming this means that they excluded any attorneys from the firms' lit department and limited it to the U.S. offices only.

From the article "We then looked at the educational background of all these firms’ US-based attorneys in the relevant departments or practices (M&A, Securities, Private Equity, Banking, Finance, and so on"

[rawrpalooza]

I thought that the outcomes were surprising? Does this mean Freshfields has more t14 attorneys compared to Kirkland?

I think it's because Kirkland Chicago takes a ton of NU students, which probably pulls down its average a bit.

[JusticeJackson]

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[Rahviveh]

Looks right as a proxy for law student prestige. Skadden is typically considered TTT among T14 OCI participants

[v5junior]

Tbf, Skadden is likely dragged down just bc it's massive and has offices all over the place (see also Latham), while the numbers at firms such as Cravath and DPW are juiced by having the bulk of/all of their associates in their most well-regarded office.

This would be more interesting if they also provided data excluding satellite offices.

[mvp99]

This makes me happy only because it'll make Skadden bros very angry.

Tbf, Skadden is likely dragged down just bc it's massive and has offices all over the place (see also Latham), while the numbers at firms such as Cravath and DPW are juiced by having the bulk of/all of their associates in their most well-regarded office.

This would be more interesting if they also provided data excluding satellite offices.

[v5junior]

This makes me happy only because it'll make Skadden bros very angry.

Tbf, Skadden is likely dragged down just bc it's massive and has offices all over the place (see also Latham), while the numbers at firms such as Cravath and DPW are juiced by having the bulk of/all of their associates in their most well-regarded office.

This would be more interesting if they also provided data excluding satellite offices.

Ya bro u got me.

Urs truly,
ir8 Skadden associate.

[Tls2016]

OMG I can just see the freaking OL's making law school freaking decisions because of some stupid report that has rankings in it. This deserves absolutely no discussion other than ridicule. (But also deserving of really ridicule is V5 associate as a username. ) I can't take it.
I've only been back again for a little while but this is just too much. The disconnect between The press Stege whoring and doing actual work, people who get jobs, whatever, is just too great. It's like this endless wavethat keeps building without any real facts to support it

[lavarman84]

I feel like big law could do better if they grabbed up enough students at top schools to still get the prestige boost with clients but also grabbed up a ton of the striviest strivers from low ranked schools to bill shitloads of hours.

[BizBro]

OMG I can just see the freaking OL's making law school freaking decisions because of some stupid report that has rankings in it. This deserves absolutely no discussion other than ridicule. (But also deserving of really ridicule is V5 associate as a username. ) I can't take it.
I've only been back again for a little while but this is just too much. The disconnect between The press Stege whoring and doing actual work, people who get jobs, whatever, is just too great. It's like this endless wavethat keeps building without any real facts to support it

You mad?

[Tls2016]

OMG I can just see the freaking OL's making law school freaking decisions because of some stupid report that has rankings in it. This deserves absolutely no discussion other than ridicule. (But also deserving of really ridicule is V5 associate as a username. ) I can't take it.
I've only been back again for a little while but this is just too much. The disconnect between The press Stege whoring and doing actual work, people who get jobs, whatever, is just too great. It's like this endless wavethat keeps building without any real facts to support it

You mad?

Yea.

[Anonymous User]

The reaction ITT is a bit bizarre. Those numbers shouldn't be a surprise to people nor should they be so lambasted. They provide information. Whether that information is considered useful is up for debate but it's information that is no different than Vault rankings, Law School rankings, etc. And yes, why shouldn't prospective law student consider all available information in deciding which school/firms they wish to commit to?

All information is good and useful. Let the individual prioritize which is most useful as they see fit.

[Tls2016]

The reaction ITT is a bit bizarre. Those numbers shouldn't be a surprise to people nor should they be so lambasted. They provide information. Whether that information is considered useful is up for debate but it's information that is no different than Vault rankings, Law School rankings, etc. And yes, why shouldn't prospective law student consider all available information in deciding which school/firms they wish to commit to?

All information is good and useful. Let the individual prioritize which is most useful as they see fit.

Nice anon!
Not all information is useful. A lot of information from schools is actively misleading, like saying they admit holistically and not just numbers or that they only consider the firstLSAT score or they average them .(Quick aside, has any school ever publshed the bimodal salary curve and explained it on their website) I didn't say that Vault rankings or US News rankings were worthwhile either. My bet is most 0 Ls don't know that vault rankings are at best NYC transactional rankings.Just putting a list together doesn't mean it's useful, helpful or should have bearing on choosing a school.

[Minnietron]

The reaction ITT is a bit bizarre. Those numbers shouldn't be a surprise to people nor should they be so lambasted. They provide information. Whether that information is considered useful is up for debate but it's information that is no different than Vault rankings, Law School rankings, etc. And yes, why shouldn't prospective law student consider all available information in deciding which school/firms they wish to commit to?

All information is good and useful. Let the individual prioritize which is most useful as they see fit.

Another wonderful use of Anon Keep it up!
ETA: Scooped by 2016

[jbagelboy]

The real lolz about this is that prestigious law students dont do corp so this is all second tier

[smaug]

The real lolz about this is that prestigious law students dont do corp so this is all second tier

So true.

[Tls2016]

The real lolz about this is that prestigious law students dont do corp so this is all second tier

Agreed and I did corporate but that was the limit of my ambition.

For the sake of the 0Ls maybe you could make a list of prestigious jobs. Make sure the rankings are clear. And maybe list which schools the grads come from and possibly include the number of books in the library at those schools. Peer rankings should factor in as well. You could call it the ultimate prestige list. Or possibly the Ne Plus Ultra.

[Man from Nantucket]

The reaction ITT is a bit bizarre. Those numbers shouldn't be a surprise to people nor should they be so lambasted. They provide information. Whether that information is considered useful is up for debate but it's information that is no different than Vault rankings, Law School rankings, etc. And yes, why shouldn't prospective law student consider all available information in deciding which school/firms they wish to commit to?

All information is good and useful. Let the individual prioritize which is most useful as they see fit.

(Shearman associate)

[philepistemer]

The real lolz about this is that prestigious law students dont do corp so this is all second tier

Agreed and I did corporate but that was the limit of my ambition.

For the sake of the 0Ls maybe you could make a list of prestigious jobs. Make sure the rankings are clear. And maybe list which schools the grads come from and possibly include the number of books in the library at those schools. Peer rankings should factor in as well. You could call it the ultimate prestige list. Or possibly the Ne Plus Ultra.

IMO working at wachtell is one of the most prestigious things someone can do right out of law school.