NYU EIW -- missing a day? Forum

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:32 am

So I'm a 1L and I'm wondering if people with experience could tell whether missing a day of EIW (this year it's August 10-12) is a really terrible thing. One of my best friends is getting married on the 12th and she wants me to be in the wedding (which I probably can't do now because it would require me to basically miss all of EIW to participate in rehearsal, the bachelorette party, etc). Anyway, I'm wondering if it would be suicidal to plan to be unavailable on the last day.

Please don't crucify me if this post sounds ridiculous...I know relatively little about EIW at this point; we haven't received any real information about it yet since we just got our first semester grades back. I still plan to ask the people in career services for their opinion, but I wanted to get a sense of what the average law student would do in my situation. I know it's a lose-lose situation.

I did receive one piece of advice already -- that the higher my grades, the less I probably have to panic about EIW in general. This semester I did okay (I think). I calculated that my GPA comes out to about a 3.61 right now. But this semester is obviously still completely up in the air. I'd welcome thoughts on this point as well.

I created a poll, but I'd also really appreciate responses, advice, or inspirational quotes.

UPDATE: I finally told my friend what was going on; she actually seems to think I should do EIW. I was mainly worried about her feelings anyway, so this is a big relief. She just said to let her know if anything changes, since I told her it's also possible that I could get a job *outside* of EIW, which would eliminate the problem. So we'll see. But thanks for the votes and comments guys! This actually turned into quite an interesting study in law student psychology, I think, so feel free to keep the thread going if you like.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:39 am

There are plenty of qualified candidates who do not receive offers from specific firms, which is why it's imperative to participate in as many interviews as possible. I strongly suggest that you kindly explain the severity of the situation to your friend. She's your good friend, so she knows how much effort you put into law school and will want you to have the brightest possible future. Good luck!

run26.2 · Post by **run26.2** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:46 am

Go to the wedding. If there's a firm you like that you can't interview with because of the wedding, email them and explain it. I would think that would strike them as reasonable and, perhaps, even impress them. Also, you should be able to trade interviews you have on that day for interviews on other days (though it will probably have to be for other firms).

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:There are plenty of qualified candidates who do not receive offers from specific firms, which is why it's imperative to participate in as many interviews as possible. I strongly suggest that you kindly explain the severity of the situation to your friend. She's your good friend, so she knows how much effort you put into law school and will want you to have the brightest possible future. Good luck!

I guess she would understand. In the end I'm sure I'll be the one who feels worse since I'm the one who'd miss out. In any case, I see the logic in what you're saying; I know this whole interviewing process will be extremely competitive, and, in my situation, if I don't get land a decent job I will have very few options going forward. Thank you for replying

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:14 am

run26.2 wrote:Go to the wedding. If there's a firm you like that you can't interview with because of the wedding, email them and explain it. I would think that would strike them as reasonable and, perhaps, even impress them. Also, you should be able to trade interviews you have on that day for interviews on other days (though it will probably have to be for other firms).

Thanks for replying to my post. I actually hadn't really thought about contacting firms to explain if this comes up. I assumed they wouldn't care, but I suppose it couldn't hurt. And yeah, I'm definitely going to find out more about how I can plan ahead in terms of balancing out interviews (in the event that I get enough interviews to balance) in case I do end up deciding to skip Friday and go to the wedding. Sigh. Being a law student is conflicting with being a human being in ways I didn't anticipate.

El Pollito · Post by **El Pollito** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:15 am

who gets married on a friday?

I think you'll get a job either way, but missing a day of OCI is pretty bad can could affect the next several years of your life.

Tls2016 · Post by **Tls2016** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:25 am

Do people at NYU mass mail in advance of OCI?
I wouldn't miss a day for a wedding. Can't you go to the reception after ?

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:36 am

Tls2016 wrote:Do people at NYU mass mail in advance of OCI?
I wouldn't miss a day for a wedding. Can't you go to the reception after ?

I have heard the phrase mass mailing but I honestly don't know what it means. As of right now I've just been told to send out tons of resumes and cover letters for *this* summer. But beyond that, no clue. Another thing I need to find out I suppose! Anyway it would take me about 4 hours to get home by bus and I guess like an hour or so if I flew...so maybe I could make part of the reception. Thing is, I don't know when interviews will end (although I think maybe the last ones are around 5 or 6). It seems like it might be kind of crazy to do both though. It'll probably be either leaving Thursday night/very early Friday to get there or not going at all sadly :/

El Pollito · Post by **El Pollito** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:43 am

firms have interview slots all day, so maybe you could talk to career services and try to get scheduled early in the day for firms you really want and skip the rest.

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:45 am

El Pollito wrote:who gets married on a friday?

I think you'll get a job either way, but missing a day of OCI is pretty bad can could affect the next several years of your life.

I have another friend who's told me she's having her wedding ceremony next October...I honestly found that to be more strange. But anyway everyone does say basically that...that everyone gets a job. But I'm also not trying to be the exception! But yeah the "don't skip a day" option is currently winning the poll lol

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:46 am

El Pollito wrote:firms have interview slots all day, so maybe you could talk to career services and try to get scheduled early in the day for firms you really want and skip the rest.

I will ask them about this specifically. Thanks!

baal hadad · Post by **baal hadad** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:47 am

I'd do EIW and not risk it

2L OCI isnt something to fuck around with considering it could affect the next 3 yrs of ur life and the trajectory of ur legal career

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:53 am

baal hadad wrote:I'd do EIW and not risk it

2L OCI isnt something to fuck around with considering it could affect the next 3 yrs of ur life and the trajectory of ur legal career

Truthfully, if she wasn't one of my closest friends, I wouldn't even be considering it. I don't even have an internship secured for *this* summer yet (let alone a coveted summer associate position) so my anxiety is already pretty high about the future. Thank you for your honesty.

anyriotgirl · Post by **anyriotgirl** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:07 am

maybe you should try to secure an offer before OCI. I know a couple of people who bailed on OCI completely after getting an offer during the summer before, and your grades seem high enough where it might be an option.

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:13 am

anyriotgirl wrote:maybe you should try to secure an offer before OCI. I know a couple of people who bailed on OCI completely after getting an offer during the summer before, and your grades seem high enough where it might be an option.

Spring OCI is actually happening now, and I haven't gotten any offers from firms so far (but I also just got all my grades). Idk if it's different at other schools. But I do know several people who said they skipped EIW (is that what you meant?) but these were hardcore public interest types who know they don't want to work at a firm. Anyways if I get a good offer before EIW I'm sure I'd take it and spare myself the whole process lol. I hope to be that lucky!

Clearly · Post by **Clearly** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:40 am

Forget 1L summer, give firms a shot and settle on a judge.

On to the real thing, I'd try to make an arrangement like chicken suggested, hitting the firms you want that morning, bailing to the wedding if you can get things scheduled around it. If that's not possible, I'd miss my own wedding before I'd miss a day of OCI (aka EIW). It's true that everyone gets jobs, but everyone also goes to every day of oci.

The real problem is you won't have notice to know the feasibility of the schedule. You'll bid on firms and get your interview schedule pretty close to EIW. You won't know who you get and who you feel comfortable missing till its pretty late. If you can get the school to arrange your schedule in advance, with them committing to giving you the earliest aligning interview spots for each firm you get, that'd be really nice of them (and I'm skeptical they would do it) but that would allow you to get out surprisingly early, especially if you didn't end up with a lot of bids for firms coming that day (for instance my OCI was 5 days, I had this many interviews among them 5-2-3-7-8).

The point is don't miss interviews. You'll likely end up with one or two firms you feel comfortable you wouldn't work at, but you don't know which and when they are.

Tls2016 · Post by **Tls2016** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:21 am

Cilia wrote:
Tls2016 wrote:Do people at NYU mass mail in advance of OCI?
I wouldn't miss a day for a wedding. Can't you go to the reception after ?
I have heard the phrase mass mailing but I honestly don't know what it means. As of right now I've just been told to send out tons of resumes and cover letters for *this* summer. But beyond that, no clue. Another thing I need to find out I suppose! Anyway it would take me about 4 hours to get home by bus and I guess like an hour or so if I flew...so maybe I could make part of the reception. Thing is, I don't know when interviews will end (although I think maybe the last ones are around 5 or 6). It seems like it might be kind of crazy to do both though. It'll probably be either leaving Thursday night/very early Friday to get there or not going at all sadly :/

There's an excellent thread on mass mailing somewhere on the site at least there used to be. Read it and follow it. I got my job years ago through OCI so I'm not an expert but more and more people seem to be mailing ahead of OCI.

Edit: I found the thread and posted it at the bottom of this post. ( There are probably more.)It starts out as telling people to mass mail instead of seeing if OCI interviews work out, but later I recall people mailing and applying online before OCI. I would post somewhere and ask about when to start. My feeling is that the worse that happens is you get told to wait and bid at OCI. But you need to investigate it more.

You simply cannot assume you are getting a job until you actually have one. Just because you "most likely" will get a job doesn't mean that you are secure. People do strike out for lots of reasons. I think assuming something will work out is a big reason as people get complacent. (Not saying you are, just be aware people will strike out, it always happens.)

OCI is the one time employers are there waiting to meet you and looking to hire. I wouldn't miss a day.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... s#p7030852

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:44 am

Tls2016 wrote:
Cilia wrote:
Tls2016 wrote:Do people at NYU mass mail in advance of OCI?
I wouldn't miss a day for a wedding. Can't you go to the reception after ?
I have heard the phrase mass mailing but I honestly don't know what it means. As of right now I've just been told to send out tons of resumes and cover letters for *this* summer. But beyond that, no clue. Another thing I need to find out I suppose! Anyway it would take me about 4 hours to get home by bus and I guess like an hour or so if I flew...so maybe I could make part of the reception. Thing is, I don't know when interviews will end (although I think maybe the last ones are around 5 or 6). It seems like it might be kind of crazy to do both though. It'll probably be either leaving Thursday night/very early Friday to get there or not going at all sadly :/
There's an excellent thread on mass mailing somewhere on the site at least there used to be. Read it and follow it. I got my job years ago through OCI so I'm not an expert but more and more people seem to be mailing ahead of OCI.

Edit: I found the thread and posted it at the bottom of this post. ( There are probably more.)It starts out as telling people to mass mail instead of seeing if OCI interviews work out, but later I recall people mailing and applying online before OCI. I would post somewhere and ask about when to start. My feeling is that the worse that happens is you get told to wait and bid at OCI. But you need to investigate it more.

You simply cannot assume you are getting a job until you actually have one. Just because you "most likely" will get a job doesn't mean that you are secure. People do strike out for lots of reasons. I think assuming something will work out is a big reason as people get complacent. (Not saying you are, just be aware people will strike out, it always happens.)

OCI is the one time employers are there waiting to meet you and looking to hire. I wouldn't miss a day.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... s#p7030852

Thanks for the link! Sorry I really thought mass mailing meant something special. Yes we we're allowed to send our resumes/cover letters out as much as we want outside of OCI (for 1Ls that started Dec. 1...and I've already had one firm tell me they finished hiring already). But anyway I see your point. I really don't want to put myself at a disadvantage if I can avoid it. I tend to feel like I need all the help I can get.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 am

I wouldn't fret too much about missing one day of OCI at NYU -- and particularly not the last day (most people had fewer interviews that day; I only had five). You'll still be able to do 20+ interviews in two days, and with a 3.6 you're in very good shape gradewise (which is the most important factor at EIW). Be there for your friend.

FluidMosaic · Post by **FluidMosaic** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 am

If you have the grades, why don't you try and get Pre-OCI callbacks/offers before the wedding. Yeah maybe you'll miss 7 potential firms that you could "click" with but if anything you can mail later. Also can't you stack your bids so almost all of your interviews are on the 10th/11th?

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:09 am

I bailed on my last day of EIP interviews, but we had four days, not three, and I already knew from the first three days that more couldn't possibly matter. That being said, those determinations were made on the ground, not months in advance. In your shoes I would have told my friend I couldn't commit right now until I had more information, due to the importance of those interview days and having as low anxiety a mindset as possible.

So practically speaking, I would regretfully decline to participate as part of the wedding and explain why you can't commit one way or the other yet until closer to the date. Most wedding RSVPs arent even due until 3-4 weeks before the rehearsal anyway, so its not like your friend should expect an answer now. If you mass mail in June and receive an offer by early July, you should have plenty of time to let your friend know that you'll be in attendance.

You also have to consider the firms that are interviewing on that particular day. If you really want a particular firm (like somewhere in a small market, or a boutique, or a DC firm), that day could make or break you. If its just generic NY transactional, then it really doesn't matter as much between simpson, cravath, dpw, ect., and interviewing with some but not the other is fine IMO (assuming you already have an offer in hand).

run26.2 · Post by **run26.2** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:15 am

How long is NYU's EIW? Is it really only 3 days?

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:53 pm

run26.2 wrote:How long is NYU's EIW? Is it really only 3 days?

Yes. I'm guessing it's longer at other schools?

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:58 pm

run26.2 wrote:How long is NYU's EIW? Is it really only 3 days?

Yeah just 3 days and yes Cilia that's on the short end for OCI's, which is why it's so hard to miss an entire day.

I agree with others that you shouldn't skip it unless you have something lined up before EIW. From my understanding that's becoming more and more common so keep your grades up and start mass mailing in July to see if you can snag a few interviews early. Also befriend 2L's at firms you are interested in because firms are more willing to bring in people early who are recommended by their current crop of summers.

Cilia · Post by **Cilia** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:01 pm

FluidMosaic wrote:If you have the grades, why don't you try and get Pre-OCI callbacks/offers before the wedding. Yeah maybe you'll miss 7 potential firms that you could "click" with but if anything you can mail later. Also can't you stack your bids so almost all of your interviews are on the 10th/11th?

I don't know how to stack anything at this point but my mentor said most of her interviews happened on the 10th and 11th anyway. But she definitely didn't plan that this far in advance which I'm seeing is part of my problem. But anyway from what I've learned, you bid first but the firms you bid on have to choose to interview you. So I'm not really sure how much control I have with regard to timing. Another thing to find out at my appointment.

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