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Re: High School on Resume

Post by victortsoi » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:24 am

kaiser wrote:
victortsoi wrote:
trebekismyhero wrote:It is better for a talking point during OCI.

The only times I have heard of ppl leaving the HS on is when you are in a very ties driven market. NYC is the complete opposite of that
i went to a specialized public high school in nyc that is very highly regarded and i always get asked about it on interviews. if you went to a truly elite high school, definitely put it on. NYC is a ties driven market, when your fellow alum happens to be looking over the resume. At any rate, it can't hurt.

But my advice assumes that your school does actually have name recognition outside a very small circle.
NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.

True. I'll admit, I've gotten everything I have so far through connections and networking, which is why I'm reluctant to say that nyc is not a "ties" driven market- ties got me paying internships and a few (very average) job offers. But yes, my high school has never been the "clincher" for me, but it has broken the ice at networking events that led to decent connections and opportunities. Maybe we aren't using the term in exactly the same way.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by sandwhich » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:25 am

kaiser wrote:
victortsoi wrote:
trebekismyhero wrote:It is better for a talking point during OCI.

The only times I have heard of ppl leaving the HS on is when you are in a very ties driven market. NYC is the complete opposite of that
i went to a specialized public high school in nyc that is very highly regarded and i always get asked about it on interviews. if you went to a truly elite high school, definitely put it on. NYC is a ties driven market, when your fellow alum happens to be looking over the resume. At any rate, it can't hurt.

But my advice assumes that your school does actually have name recognition outside a very small circle.

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by kaiser » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:30 am

sandwhich wrote:
kaiser wrote:
victortsoi wrote:
trebekismyhero wrote:It is better for a talking point during OCI.

The only times I have heard of ppl leaving the HS on is when you are in a very ties driven market. NYC is the complete opposite of that
i went to a specialized public high school in nyc that is very highly regarded and i always get asked about it on interviews. if you went to a truly elite high school, definitely put it on. NYC is a ties driven market, when your fellow alum happens to be looking over the resume. At any rate, it can't hurt.

But my advice assumes that your school does actually have name recognition outside a very small circle.

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.
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Re: High School on Resume

Post by runinthefront » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:34 am

sandwhich wrote:
kaiser wrote:

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.
Where do you attend school? From personal experience, NYC is definitely NOT a tie-driven market. Reasons for wanting to be in NYC =/= ties, either.

I don't think I've ever had "why do you want to be in NYC" come up in a single interview. I'll admit, I go to an NY school, but everything on my resume screams a different market.
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Re: High School on Resume

Post by sandwhich » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:40 am

runinthefront wrote:
sandwhich wrote:
kaiser wrote:

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.
Where do you attend school? From personal experience, NYC is definitely NOT a tie-driven market. Reasons for wanting to be in NYC =/= ties, either.

I don't think I've ever had "why do you want to be in NYC" come up in a single interview. I'll admit, I go to an NY school, but everything on my resume screams a different market.
The person who first iterated this to me goes to UChi, and had no reason to mislead me. In fact, he went out of his way to mention it to me without me bringing it up in the first place. I do agree that ties are different than reasons, and that's actually why I didn't use the term "ties". Obviously not everyone can have ties to a market they desire to work in, but anyone can have a reason.

Of course this is all firm-relative and his experience may have been unique due to the firms he interviewed with.

@the guy I quoted: you and your condescending tone can kindly shove it.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by kaiser » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:44 am

runinthefront wrote:
sandwhich wrote:
kaiser wrote:

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.
Where do you attend school? From personal experience, NYC is definitely NOT a tie-driven market. Reasons for wanting to be in NYC =/= ties, either.

I don't think I've ever had "why do you want to be in NYC" come up in a single interview. I'll admit, I go to an NY school, but everything on my resume screams a different market.
I remember going through OCI and doing interviews in both Philadelphia and NYC. Talk about night and day as far as ties. In Philly, they spent half the interview trying to gauge my connection to the area, reasons for wanting Philly, etc. Out of dozens of NY interviews, not a single one asked why I wanted to be in NYC. And now I myself do interviewing of rising 2L's, and "why NYC" most certainly isn't on the list of suggested questions at either firm for whom I interviewed. Nor do any of my colleagues ask that either, since its essentially a wasted question that you learn nothing from.

@Sandwich: I was needlessly rude to you in my earlier post, and I apologize for that. I should have just filled you in without the snark.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by sandwhich » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:48 am

kaiser wrote:
runinthefront wrote:
sandwhich wrote:
kaiser wrote:

NYC is literally the opposite of a "ties-driven market". Unless you define that entirely differently than how people usually use it, that isn't at all correct.
Actually this is incorrect and an apparently common misconception. According to people who've actually gone through OCI, reasons for wanting to be in NY matter materially.
Where do you attend school? From personal experience, NYC is definitely NOT a tie-driven market. Reasons for wanting to be in NYC =/= ties, either.

I don't think I've ever had "why do you want to be in NYC" come up in a single interview. I'll admit, I go to an NY school, but everything on my resume screams a different market.
I remember going through OCI and doing interviews in both Philadelphia and NYC. Talk about night and day as far as ties. In Philly, they spent half the interview trying to gauge my connection to the area, reasons for wanting Philly, etc. Out of dozens of NY interviews, not a single one asked why I wanted to be in NYC. And now I myself do interviewing of rising 2L's, and "why NYC" most certainly isn't on the list of suggested questions at either firm for whom I interviewed. Nor do any of my colleagues ask that either, since its essentially a wasted question that you learn nothing from.

@Sandwich: I was needlessly rude to you in my earlier post, and I apologize for that. I should have just filled you in without the snark.
Fair enough, and thanks for taking the high road (a rarity on the Internet). I must say I've always been I your camp; it must've been the way he said it that was so convincing. It was like he was warning me that the general advice of the world was setting me up for failure in NYC.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by kaiser » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:55 am

^^^

You said it was someone from Chicago? Maybe, because he was coming from outside of NY, he himself felt like he had to discuss the topic and justify why he was shooting for NY, even if it wasn't a big deal to the interviewer? Or perhaps the question came up more out of curiosity (as opposed to someone genuinely probing for "loyalty" to a certain area). If I were interviewing someone from CA or TX or something in NY, that may be the exception where I may ask "why come all the way across country?" And I wouldn't ask because I think they will jump ship and leave, but because I guess I may be personally curious (and there would be pretty much no "wrong" answer in that situation)

Of course you are right that it always helps to think out any possible Q in advance so that you are prepared with an answer. But I wouldn't expect to hear that question too often, largely due to the lack of meaningful answers one can give. "NY is the legal capital of the world" or "I want to work on the biggest deals" or maybe the practical kid will say "NY is where the job opportunities are". But none of that reveals anything to me about the interviewee, which is why the question doesn't come up often.

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Re: High School on Resume

Post by First Offense » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:45 am

Unless you're a hail Mary applicant and your best shot at landing the job is for an alum to read it, I can't see the benefit. Two people who interview for oci have stated in this thread it's a bad idea. Oci is a time to be risk averse... It turning off one interviewer may turn off your otherwise best chance at an offer.

Also it seems super fucking douchey.

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