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KaNa1986
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by KaNa1986 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:10 pm
jbagelboy wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have access to the reputation survey? SullCrom and Cravath must have blew firms like Davis Polk, Simpson, Cleary, and Debevoise out of the water on the reputation survey to be ranked that high on the overall list.
How do you figure? They aren't more well regarded than DPW or Simpson in the city.
If anything I think homegrown partners % would boost firms like Cravath and S&C that pull more exclusively from their own ranks.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/10/atl-law- ... -category/
Wachtell, Cravath, and SullCrom tops the reputation survey. Big surprise.
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soj
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by soj » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:16 pm
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Crowing
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by Crowing » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:22 am
This thread got good.
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SLS_AMG
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by SLS_AMG » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:17 am
KaNa1986 wrote:jbagelboy wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have access to the reputation survey? SullCrom and Cravath must have blew firms like Davis Polk, Simpson, Cleary, and Debevoise out of the water on the reputation survey to be ranked that high on the overall list.
How do you figure? They aren't more well regarded than DPW or Simpson in the city.
If anything I think homegrown partners % would boost firms like Cravath and S&C that pull more exclusively from their own ranks.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/10/atl-law- ... -category/
Wachtell, Cravath, and SullCrom tops the reputation survey. Big surprise.
You seem to have a bizarre infatuation with WLRK, CSM, and S&C.
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2014
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by 2014 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:24 am
SLS_AMG wrote:KaNa1986 wrote:jbagelboy wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have access to the reputation survey? SullCrom and Cravath must have blew firms like Davis Polk, Simpson, Cleary, and Debevoise out of the water on the reputation survey to be ranked that high on the overall list.
How do you figure? They aren't more well regarded than DPW or Simpson in the city.
If anything I think homegrown partners % would boost firms like Cravath and S&C that pull more exclusively from their own ranks.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/10/atl-law- ... -category/
Wachtell, Cravath, and SullCrom tops the reputation survey. Big surprise.
You seem to have a bizarre infatuation with WLRK, CSM, and S&C.
V3 bro, they are better than every other firm and it isn't particularly close
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Old Gregg
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by Old Gregg » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:56 am
what's ultimately the most hilarious thing about this thread and most threads about this in TLS is that, at the end of the day, TLSers believe these kinds of rankings are arbitrary and bullshit because they don't correspond with their own personal rankings of firms. The problem is that those rankings are also arbitrary and bullshit. Why is Vault not credible, you ask? "Oh well because Skadden is ranked higher than S&C, duh!" Why is Skadden supposed to be less prestigious than S&C? "They take numerous people AT MEDIAN (the sacrilege!) from my T5." And why exactly is that problematic? Why is it problematic that a law firm takes more inept lawyers who will all need extensive training from one segment of a top law school than from another segment?
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jbagelboy
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by jbagelboy » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:12 pm
zweitbester wrote:what's ultimately the most hilarious thing about this thread and most threads about this in TLS is that, at the end of the day, TLSers believe these kinds of rankings are arbitrary and bullshit because they don't correspond with their own personal rankings of firms. The problem is that those rankings are also arbitrary and bullshit. Why is Vault not credible, you ask? "Oh well because Skadden is ranked higher than S&C, duh!" Why is Skadden supposed to be less prestigious than S&C? "They take numerous people AT MEDIAN (the sacrilege!) from my T5." And why exactly is that problematic? Why is it problematic that a law firm takes more inept lawyers who will all need extensive training from one segment of a top law school than from another segment?
where skadden and sullcrom fall on any given year is one of the lightest criticisms one might level against the vault rankings
moreover from a process/methodology perspective its a mess, regardless of how we might judge the outcome
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Old Gregg
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by Old Gregg » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:13 pm
jbagelboy wrote:zweitbester wrote:what's ultimately the most hilarious thing about this thread and most threads about this in TLS is that, at the end of the day, TLSers believe these kinds of rankings are arbitrary and bullshit because they don't correspond with their own personal rankings of firms. The problem is that those rankings are also arbitrary and bullshit. Why is Vault not credible, you ask? "Oh well because Skadden is ranked higher than S&C, duh!" Why is Skadden supposed to be less prestigious than S&C? "They take numerous people AT MEDIAN (the sacrilege!) from my T5." And why exactly is that problematic? Why is it problematic that a law firm takes more inept lawyers who will all need extensive training from one segment of a top law school than from another segment?
where skadden and sullcrom fall on any given year is one of the lightest criticisms one might level against the vault rankings
moreover from a process/methodology perspective its a mess, regardless of how we might judge the outcome
i know this is going to sound "deep," but the process/methodology for deciding what's a good process/methodology is also a mess. thats why this is all bullshit.
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jbagelboy
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by jbagelboy » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:15 pm
zweitbester wrote:jbagelboy wrote:zweitbester wrote:what's ultimately the most hilarious thing about this thread and most threads about this in TLS is that, at the end of the day, TLSers believe these kinds of rankings are arbitrary and bullshit because they don't correspond with their own personal rankings of firms. The problem is that those rankings are also arbitrary and bullshit. Why is Vault not credible, you ask? "Oh well because Skadden is ranked higher than S&C, duh!" Why is Skadden supposed to be less prestigious than S&C? "They take numerous people AT MEDIAN (the sacrilege!) from my T5." And why exactly is that problematic? Why is it problematic that a law firm takes more inept lawyers who will all need extensive training from one segment of a top law school than from another segment?
where skadden and sullcrom fall on any given year is one of the lightest criticisms one might level against the vault rankings
moreover from a process/methodology perspective its a mess, regardless of how we might judge the outcome
i know this is going to sound "deep," but the process/methodology for deciding what's a good process/methodology is also a mess. thats why this is all bullshit.
well we definitely agree there
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sideroxylon
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by sideroxylon » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:21 pm
Leiter needs to start ranking firms
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Old Gregg
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by Old Gregg » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:25 pm
sideroxylon wrote:Leiter needs to start ranking firms
Law firm gourmet?
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2014
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by 2014 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:45 pm
sideroxylon wrote:Leiter needs to start ranking firms
I will propose it to him ASAP
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by v5junior » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:30 pm
2014 wrote:SLS_AMG wrote:
You seem to have a bizarre infatuation with WLRK, CSM, and S&C.
V3 bro, they are better than every other firm and it isn't particularly close
Egregious S&C trolling.
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2014
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by 2014 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:44 pm
v5junior wrote:2014 wrote:SLS_AMG wrote:
You seem to have a bizarre infatuation with WLRK, CSM, and S&C.
V3 bro, they are better than every other firm and it isn't particularly close
Egregious S&C trolling.
Oh shit I forgot about Skadden's massive Vault climb this year
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20141023
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by 20141023 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:56 pm
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by jbagelboy » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:23 pm
reg don't tell me you made this goddawful chart
...but of course you did. still love you
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by 20141023 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:02 pm
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by Yardbird » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:09 am
Regulus wrote:jbagelboy wrote:reg don't tell me you made this goddawful chart
...but of course you did. still love you
And for the sole purpose of further S&C trolling ITT.
if you extended the chart to mid-1995, many firms would move around
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by Yardbird » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:20 am
Regulus wrote:shadowofjazz wrote:Regulus wrote:jbagelboy wrote:reg don't tell me you made this goddawful chart
...but of course you did. still love you
And for the sole purpose of further S&C trolling ITT.
if you extended the chart to mid-1995, many firms would move around
Vault's website only had the data readily available back to 2007, and I wasn't about to waste any more time than I already had making a useless preftige chart.
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