Do people make up ties at OCI? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Was reading another thread where someone said last year people at their school frequently made up ties in interviews (my fiancé is in that city/my future in laws are in that city). I am bidding heavily two fairly tie sensitive southern markets to which I have no blood ties, but have friends there/have visited the city multiple times. Is making up ties so normal an occurrence that I have to worry about others getting these callbacks over me due to made up connections?

[2014]

Straight up making up ties is rare and largely unethical (99% chance you don't get caught but if you do the ramifications could be pretty bad). Exaggerating existing tenuous ties is another thing altogether and fair game. For example a third cousin in Dallas who you see every 4 years when she makes it to Christmas sounds a lot better as "I have close family in the area and it is crucial to be near my family support network as I start my legal career" or whatever.

[Yardbird]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

[CicerBRo]

Don't lie. The potential harm is too large and the potential gain is too small.

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

[mommalee]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

It could have been a general lie that became a specific lie. Ex. I want to move to Atlanta b/c my SO works there. Then when asked where specifically… My SO works at place X and does XYZ. If the interviewer knows someone working at XYZ they could easily verify that it was a lie. At a CB someone asked me where my SO worked/what he does and where so I can see this as a reasonable question.

Inventing ties seems overly risky, although elaborating in the way 2014 mentioned is not. You are elaborating the extent of the connection rather than inventing someone who doesn't exist.

[BigZuck]

Straight up making up ties is rare and largely unethical (99% chance you don't get caught but if you do the ramifications could be pretty bad). Exaggerating existing tenuous ties is another thing altogether and fair game. For example a third cousin in Dallas who you see every 4 years when she makes it to Christmas sounds a lot better as "I have close family in the area and it is crucial to be near my family support network as I start my legal career" or whatever.

Don't hate the player, hate the game, etc. but if lying is unethical then the example you gave is unethical my bro. Calling some rando cousin close family that you need to be around for a support system is a lie.

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

It could have been a general lie that became a specific lie. Ex. I want to move to Atlanta b/c my SO works there. Then when asked where specifically… My SO works at place X and does XYZ. If the interviewer knows someone working at XYZ they could easily verify that it was a lie. At a CB someone asked me where my SO worked/what he does and where so I can see this as a reasonable question.

Inventing ties seems overly risky, although elaborating in the way 2014 mentioned is not. You are elaborating the extent of the connection rather than inventing someone who doesn't exist.

see this is the thing, you got be more careful, and do your research, if you are lying, you might as well do it well, a better response would be

My gf (dont like the use of fiance/so, as thats more serious) just moved to atlanta, she graduated from nursing school, and moved here as her family has been living here for more than 50 years. She is looking for a job right now in the Atlanta area. I also plan to work here and my gf and I see ourselves living here, having a family and having a future together here. I love the city, and would love to work here.

so ties here are gf lives in the city, her family lives here, gf and i plan to settle down here. telling where the gf works is risky, so just leaving it at looking for a job is better. Are these ties solid? no, but decent and better than not having ties at all.

[Anonymous User]

At a t10. Hear blatant lies about "ties" almost daily in hospitality suites. Actually had an interviewer ask me if I knew a previous person that interviewed, and whether it was true. It was someone I've talked to much. Obviously, as I'm not a dick, I covered for her.

[Anonymous User]

does anybody have any experiences?

[baal hadad]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

"Hey we'd like to have you to dinner while you consider ur offer. Please feel free to bring you gf!"

"Sorry can't she's working tonight. Charity event for leukemia foundation."

"Oh what's her name; I'm on the board"

"..."

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

"Hey we'd like to have you to dinner while you consider ur offer. Please feel free to bring you gf!"



"Sorry can't she's working tonight. Charity event for leukemia foundation."

"Oh what's her name; I'm on the board"

"..."

haha, thats a good one, but honestly, what are the odds of a partner asking someone he interviewed (not even an associate yet), to dinner WITH his gf. c'mmon lets be realistic. very very slim odds. time will fly by, and soon you can have a wonderfully prepared break up story. simple. or by then you might have a gf anyway in the new city.

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

Also a UVA student and my understanding was that he was stupid and told the same lie to different offices of the same firm. They figured it out and alerted Career Services.

[sundontshine]

My gf (dont like the use of fiance/so, as thats more serious) just moved to atlanta, she graduated from nursing school, and moved here as her family has been living here for more than 50 years. She is looking for a job right now in the Atlanta area. I also plan to work here and my gf and I see ourselves living here, having a family and having a future together here. I love the city, and would love to work here.

"Oh, what nursing school?"
"XYZ"
"Great school, my wife is a teacher there"

[Anonymous User]

My gf (dont like the use of fiance/so, as thats more serious) just moved to atlanta, she graduated from nursing school, and moved here as her family has been living here for more than 50 years. She is looking for a job right now in the Atlanta area. I also plan to work here and my gf and I see ourselves living here, having a family and having a future together here. I love the city, and would love to work here.

"Oh, what nursing school?"
"XYZ"
"Great school, my wife is a teacher there"

ok, what about the gf just being a college graduate? like say some state school? no way, teachers/professors know everybody in a state school. nursing school, sure may be a small program, but a college undergraduate from a state school? do teachers/professors know even their students in their classes by name when there are 300 of them).

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

Also a UVA student and my understanding was that he was stupid and told the same lie to different offices of the same firm. They figured it out and alerted Career Services.

thats a huge mess, my belief is simple, dont lie, but if you are going to lie, do your research, be smart and lie well.

[Mredav44]

thats a huge mess, my belief is simple, dont lie

[baal hadad]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

how in the world can the firm find out that he did not have have a fiance in that city? ok, forget fiance, but what if the student had said, i have a gf in the city, and we plan to settle down here, how will the firm know if there is actually a gf? people break up all the time, so he can always say he broke up later.

"Hey we'd like to have you to dinner while you consider ur offer. Please feel free to bring you gf!"



"Sorry can't she's working tonight. Charity event for leukemia foundation."

"Oh what's her name; I'm on the board"

"..."

haha, thats a good one, but honestly, what are the odds of a partner asking someone he interviewed (not even an associate yet), to dinner WITH his gf. c'mmon lets be realistic. very very slim odds. time will fly by, and soon you can have a wonderfully prepared break up story. simple. or by then you might have a gf anyway in the new city.

I've been to several recruiting events w SOs invited

Secondary mkts

The firm where I work now had a Lunch for me my first day and also invited my gf

[Anonymous User]

they might get invited, but is it madatory bring the gf? and recruting events, first days are special ocassions, what about after that first day? how many times, was the gf invited?

[sundontshine]

My gf (dont like the use of fiance/so, as thats more serious) just moved to atlanta, she graduated from nursing school, and moved here as her family has been living here for more than 50 years. She is looking for a job right now in the Atlanta area. I also plan to work here and my gf and I see ourselves living here, having a family and having a future together here. I love the city, and would love to work here.

"Oh, what nursing school?"
"XYZ"
"Great school, my wife is a teacher there"

ok, what about the gf just being a college graduate? like say some state school? no way, teachers/professors know everybody in a state school. nursing school, sure may be a small program, but a college undergraduate from a state school? do teachers/professors know even their students in their classes by name when there are 300 of them).

It's a little easier to, you know, just not lie.

[ClubberLang]

My gf (dont like the use of fiance/so, as thats more serious) just moved to atlanta, she graduated from nursing school, and moved here as her family has been living here for more than 50 years. She is looking for a job right now in the Atlanta area. I also plan to work here and my gf and I see ourselves living here, having a family and having a future together here. I love the city, and would love to work here.

"Oh, what nursing school?"
"XYZ"
"Great school, my wife is a teacher there"

ok, what about the gf just being a college graduate? like say some state school? no way, teachers/professors know everybody in a state school. nursing school, sure may be a small program, but a college undergraduate from a state school? do teachers/professors know even their students in their classes by name when there are 300 of them).

This is probably worse than no ties at all. What kind of a beta would follow around a gf in this situation?

[Anonymous User]

Felt childish telling senior partners about my girlfriend, so when CB's started not going my way I improvised. (We've been dating for a long time and are basically soon to be engaged) so I told people my ties were my fiancé. On one callback my first two interviewers were senior partners and plan went fine. Then I meet my third interviewer who was a very junior attorney around my age who turned out to Clearly be in the same religion and shared many mutual friends and friends of family so I didn't know what to do, knew I couldn't pull the fiancé card so went back to the truth and said gf. Final interview I had no fucking idea what to say so I also went with gf.

Basically I told two partners that the reason i transferred to X city was my fiancé and told attorneys in the same firm I transferred bc of my gf. Very easy of me to get fucked over, but guess what I worked there this summer and got an offer. The partners forgot they ever even interviewed me and the one dude with mutual friends vaguely remembered I had some type of significant other.

Thus that small lie, from gf to fiancé, can get u fucked, not to say I wouldn't have done it retrospectively

[Anonymous User]

(Preface: I heard this from another UVA student): Someone at UVA was kicked out of OGI a few years back for saying he had a fiancé/significant other in a city he had no ties to in some pre OGI interviews. The firms found out somehow and notified career services. The student had to write written apologies to all firms he lied to, and wasn't allowed to participate in OGI. I believe he also had an honor code violation brought against him. Pretty sure that all means he wouldn't pass C&F.

It's probably fine to say you've visited the city and you have really close friends there, but making up ties can be dangerous and fatal to your career.

Pretty sure many of these facts are off, but yes, it's dumb to exaggerate ties to a city.

[Anonymous User]

. . . .

Pretty sure many of these facts are off, but yes, it's dumb to exaggerate ties to a city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQkxJ4WcXjA&t=29s

[LRGhost]

Play with fire and you might get burned.

Or, you might get steak lunch for 12 weeks.