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[09042014]

Firm and city or don't post.

[PepperJack]

One of the trademark characteristics of an antisocial personality is taking disproportionate pleasure in the humiliation and failures of others.

[WokeUpInACar]

Pretty sure DF wants the firms to be shamed rather than the posters.

[lacrossebrother]

I think he wanted to properly out the firms

[09042014]

One of the trademark characteristics of an antisocial personality is taking disproportionate pleasure in the humiliation and failures of others.

Trying to get the firms. I assume people would do it anon.

[PepperJack]

Ok ok stand corrected.

[baal hadad]

That's all fine and good if it happens en masse a la winston but if you are one of the only 1 or 2 dudes in a class of like 8-10 from a southern firm (not unusual) then youre giving it away

[09042014]

That's all fine and good if it happens en masse a la winston but if you are one of the only 1 or 2 dudes in a class of like 8-10 from a southern firm (not unusual) then youre giving it away

Giving what away? Do it anon what are they going to learn. that you know about TLS.

[rickgrimes69]

That's all fine and good if it happens en masse a la winston but if you are one of the only 1 or 2 dudes in a class of like 8-10 from a southern firm (not unusual) then youre giving it away

what are they gonna do about it... no-offer them again?

[izy223]

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[baal hadad]

That's all fine and good if it happens en masse a la winston but if you are one of the only 1 or 2 dudes in a class of like 8-10 from a southern firm (not unusual) then youre giving it away

Giving what away? Do it anon what are they going to learn. that you know about TLS.

Just paranoind here bro

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

(not a Kasowitz recruiter)

[ResIpsa21]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

[mephistopheles]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

[randomstudent]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

Presumably. But only after unnecessarily wasting a couple months/years of the firm's time.

[mephistopheles]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

Presumably. But only after unnecessarily wasting a couple months/years of the firm's time.

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

[lawhopeful10]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

Presumably. But only after unnecessarily wasting a couple months/years of the firm's time.

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

I think that's the poster's point. The firm shouldn't even have to worry about taking a reputation dip for no-offering someone that deserves it but they do.

[sideroxylon]

The goal of outting/shaming firms betrays the assumption that no summer associate, ever, deserves to get no-offered. My firm is going to give an offer to someone this year that absolutely should not be hired, merely to protect the 100% offer rate. That's the shameful move, in my opinion.

Is it a cold offer? if no, why not?

I feel like you'd be doing the summer a mercy by letting her know that the firm doesn't think she should be fired.

[ResIpsa21]

Is it a cold offer? if no, why not?

Not a cold offer. The summer is a good person but botched several assignments/deadlines and left projects unfinished at the end of the program. Associates and junior partners complained about this to management, and they essentially said "we have a 100% offer rate regardless of performance."

wouldn't the assumption be they don't last long after starting?

Presumably. But only after unnecessarily wasting a couple months/years of the firm's time.

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

I think that's the poster's point. The firm shouldn't even have to worry about taking a reputation dip for no-offering someone that deserves it but they do.

Exactly this. Because the firm is more concerned about having a rep for 100% offer rate than having a rep for good quality associates, we get to dance around this person's incompetence for a year or two until s/he quits or is asked to leave. I am not worried about the firm's bottom line. I am annoyed that I'll have to delegate work to this person knowing that s/he is not capable of doing it right or on time.

[bjsesq]

Since everyone else is too goddamn derpy to follow simple instructions:

Winston, Chicago, 2012

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

I think that's the poster's point. The firm shouldn't even have to worry about taking a reputation dip for no-offering someone that deserves it but they do.

+1. Firms presumably already make the calculation that the liability of the potentially-no-offer-summer is greater than the cost of reputation of not having 100%. If a firm no-offered a whole bunch, then yeah, that's a reasonable cause for concern. But if it's just one student that's been no-offered, well, I've read enough to know that very rarely is someone no-offered for an isolated failure, unless the conduct was particularly egregious/shows terrible judgment. If you have a summer class of over 50, odds are pretty good that you have "that one guy." A bit more perplexing is wondering what exactly the Clearys and Debevoises are letting slide in order to maintain that 100% rate in a giant class.

[Anonymous User]

but arguably the maintenance of a good reputation for desirable law students to consider would neutralize if not exceed that cost

I think that's the poster's point. The firm shouldn't even have to worry about taking a reputation dip for no-offering someone that deserves it but they do.

+1. Firms presumably already make the calculation that the liability of the potentially-no-offer-summer is greater than the cost of reputation of not having 100%. If a firm no-offered a whole bunch, then yeah, that's a reasonable cause for concern. But if it's just one student that's been no-offered, well, I've read enough to know that very rarely is someone no-offered for an isolated failure, unless the conduct was particularly egregious/shows terrible judgment. If you have a summer class of over 50, odds are pretty good that you have "that one guy." A bit more perplexing is wondering what exactly the Clearys and Debevoises are letting slide in order to maintain that 100% rate in a giant class.

You think Cleary uses cold offers?

[mephistopheles]

i wish there was some sort of stat on cold offers

[sideroxylon]

i wish there was some sort of stat on cold offers

It would be interesting to see. I wonder if one could glean where it happens based on firms that people seem to summer with and then accept post-employment offers elsewhere.

[mephistopheles]

i wish there was some sort of stat on cold offers

It would be interesting to see. I wonder if one could glean where it happens based on firms that people seem to summer with and then accept post-employment offers elsewhere.

schools don't release post-grad employment, do they?