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Final Bid List Critique before deadline - Top Third at GULC

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:16 pm

**Note: Updated bid list down a few posts

Top Third at GULC, 3.49 GPA. Less than a year of work experience between ugrad and law school working in compliance for one of the Big Four accounting firms. Working for federal banking regulatory agency this summer. Looking to do corporate/capital markets work in NY, but I threw some DC firms on the list because it's the only other area I have ties to. Boston firms are only on there because they had very high bid/interview ratios, even though I know bidding that low is probably a waste anyway.

Concerned about maybe too many reaches and the placement of firms in the top 20 since, from what I've heard, that's basically as far down the list as you can get interviews from.

Firm Office Bid
Weil Gotshal NY 1
Kirkland Ellis NY 2
Willkie Farr NY 3
Shearman & Sterling NY 4
Cadwalader NY 5
Skadden NY 6
Latham Watkins NY 7
Fried Frank NY 8
Proskauer NY 9
Paul Hastings NY 10
Cahill Gordon NY 11
White & Case NY 12
Debevoise NY 13
Jones Day NY 14
Dechert NY 15
Milbank Tweed NY 16
Morgan Lewis NY 17
Ropes & Gray NY 18
Schulte Roth Zabel NY 19
hogan lovells NY 20
Clifford Chance NY 21
Akin Gump NY 22
Allen & Overy NY 23
McDermott NY 24
Goodwin Procter NY 25
Seward & Kissel NY 26
Kaye Scholer NY 27
Freshfields NY 28
Linklaters NY 29
Pillsbury NY 30
WilmerHale NY 31
Davis Polk NY 32
Fried Frank DC 33
Cadwalader DC 34
Bingham McCutchen DC 35
DLA Piper DC 36
Proskauer DC 37
Akin Gump DC 38
Kasowitz NY 39
Orrick NY 40
Stroock & Stroock NY 41
Kirkland Ellis DC 42
Chadbourne & Park NY 43
WilmerHale DC 44
Goodwin Procter DC 45
Baker Botts DC 46
Proskauer Boston 47
Venable DC 48
Goodwin Procter Boston 49
Cooley NY 50
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Re: Final Bid List Critique before deadline - Top Third at GULC

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:34 pm

hey same position and interests.. I understand that you're trying to be safe and thats why capital markets is not reflected on the list that much... I migh move skadden down a bit... good luck..
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Re: Final Bid List Critique before deadline - Top Third at GULC

Post by dead head » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Top Third at GULC, 3.49 GPA. Less than a year of work experience between ugrad and law school working in compliance for one of the Big Four accounting firms. Working for federal banking regulatory agency this summer. Looking to do corporate/capital markets work in NY, but I threw some DC firms on the list because it's the only other area I have ties to. Boston firms are only on there because they had very high bid/interview ratios, even though I know bidding that low is probably a waste anyway.

Concerned about maybe too many reaches and the placement of firms in the top 20 since, from what I've heard, that's basically as far down the list as you can get interviews from.

Firm Office Bid
Weil Gotshal NY 1
Kirkland Ellis NY 2
Willkie Farr NY 3
Shearman & Sterling NY 4
Cadwalader NY 5
Skadden NY 6
Latham Watkins NY 7
Fried Frank NY 8
Proskauer NY 9
Paul Hastings NY 10
Cahill Gordon NY 11
White & Case NY 12
Debevoise NY 13
Jones Day NY 14
Dechert NY 15
Milbank Tweed NY 16
Morgan Lewis NY 17
Ropes & Gray NY 18
Schulte Roth Zabel NY 19
Hogan Lovells NY 20
Clifford Chance NY 21
Akin Gump NY 22
Allen & Overy NY 23
McDermott NY 24
Goodwin Procter NY 25
Seward & Kissel NY 26
Kaye Scholer NY 27
Freshfields NY 28
Linklaters NY 29
Pillsbury NY 30
WilmerHale NY 31
Davis Polk NY 32
Fried Frank DC 33
Cadwalader DC 34
Bingham McCutchen DC 35
DLA Piper DC 36
Proskauer DC 37
Akin Gump DC 38
Kasowitz NY 39
Orrick NY 40
Stroock & Stroock NY 41
Kirkland Ellis DC 42
Chadbourne & Park NY 43
WilmerHale DC 44
Goodwin Procter DC 45
Baker Botts DC 46
Proskauer Boston 47
Venable DC 48
Goodwin Procter Boston 49
Cooley NY 50
Quoted since it seems to be a thing for people to (selfishly) delete bidlists once they have feedback.

I think this is a horrible bidlist. Bid this way and be prepared to strike out, or hope you get a bunch of preselects (and since this is the first year for preselects, I can see OCS having a terrible system where those in the top 15% get almost all the preselects). You have way too many reaches, especially given that 200 other kids at Georgetown have GPAs just as good as yours. But some of this is understandable since the GPA data you have seems to be lower than I would have expected: the data from my year was dominated by the old curve and included 10 years of pre-2008 data, and it had significantly higher GPAs for the V10. Even with the relatively low GPA medians that OCS says reflect post-2008 hiring, your GPA is still low for about half of the lottery interviews you are likely to get: if you get eight interviews and four of them are Weil, Skadden, Latham, and Debevoise, how confident are you going to be?

Your DC bids are firmly in preselct-only territory, and I wouldn't expect to get any of them.
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Re: Final Bid List Critique before deadline - Top Third at GULC

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:11 am

Are there that many reaches? I don't agree with moving skadden down. they're in high demand and i thought NY had like a 3.4 floor?

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Re: Final Bid List Critique before deadline - Top Third at GULC

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:49 am

OP here.

deadhead - are you basically suggesting I drop all but maybe one of Kirkland, Debe, Skadden, JD, and Latham from my top 20 and shift all the other firms up?

I cut out a bunch of DC firms because they are insanely overbid according to last year's bid stats and I thought they would be a waste of a bid down in the 30s. Still don't really know what to do with that area of the list. I currently filled it with NY firms that are near my GPA but that I'm less thrilled about their practice areas. Then I feel like the DC firms in the 40s are a waste but don't know what else to put there. V10 firms in the bottom 5 are simply as a hail mary hoping for pre-select for god knows what reason.

1. Weil Gotshal NY
2. Kirkland Ellis NY
3. Shearman & Sterling NY
4. Cadwalader NY
5. Fried Frank NY
6. Wilkie Farr NY
7. Proskauer NY
8. Paul Hastings NY
9. Cahill Gordon NY
10. White & Case NY
11. Dechert NY
12. Milbank NY
13. Schulte Roth & Zabel NY
14. hogan lovells NY
15. Clifford Chance NY
16. Akin Gump NY
17. Morgan Lewis NY
18. Ropes & Gray NY
19. Allen & Overy NY
20. McDermott NY
21. Linklaters NY
22. Skadden London
23. Seward & Kissel NY
24. Chadbourne & Park NY
25. Stroock & Stroock NY
26. Curtis Mallet NY
27. K&L Gates NY
28. Goodwin Procter NY
29. Cooley NY
30. Pillsbury NY
31. Freshfields NY
32. Kaye Scholer NY
33. WilmerHale NY
34. Alston & Bird NY
35. Kasowitz NY
36. Baker Hostetler NY
37. O'Melveny NY
38. Orrick NY
39. Kramer Levin NY
40. Bingham DC
41. Fried Frank DC
42. Proskauer DC
43. Cadwalader DC
44. Milbank DC
45. Riker Danzig NJ
46. Fox Rothschild NJ
47. Skadden NY
48. Davis Polk NY
49. Latham NY
50. Simpson Thacher NY
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