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should I include this in my resume?

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:18 pm

At my lower T-14 school's 1L moot court competition (to get on the moot court team), my appellate brief got the second highest score (out of 100+ 1L competitors). But I did so badly in the oral argument that I didn't get a position on the moot court team. Should I include in my resume the fact that my appellate brief was ranked second in the moot court competition?

I was going to leave it out because it's embarrassing that I didn't make it on to moot court, but 2nd place isn't too shabby, although I didn't get any award/recognition or anything for it.

Thank you in advance!

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Post by DUBcity » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:At my lower T-14 school's 1L moot court competition (to get on the moot court team), my appellate brief got the second highest score (out of 100+ 1L competitors). But I did so badly in the oral argument that I didn't get a position on the moot court team. Should I include in my resume the fact that my appellate brief was ranked second in the moot court competition?

I was going to leave it out because it's embarrassing that I didn't make it on to moot court, but 2nd place isn't too shabby, although I didn't get any award/recognition or anything for it.

Thank you in advance!
I definitely would.

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Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:50 pm

Not OP. Similarly, my team placed second in a national moot court competition (we were among the only 1Ls competing). Is "Finalist" worth putting on a resume under honors or is runner up to this sort of thing not really a notable honor?

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Post by DUBcity » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Not OP. Similarly, my team placed second in a national moot court competition (we were among the only 1Ls competing). Is "Finalist" worth putting on a resume under honors or is runner up to this sort of thing not really a notable honor?
I think you'd be crazy not to put it.

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Post by ggocat » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:39 pm

OP - no.
"Not OP" - yes.

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Post by guano » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:At my lower T-14 school's 1L moot court competition (to get on the moot court team), my appellate brief got the second highest score (out of 100+ 1L competitors). But I did so badly in the oral argument that I didn't get a position on the moot court team. Should I include in my resume the fact that my appellate brief was ranked second in the moot court competition?

I was going to leave it out because it's embarrassing that I didn't make it on to moot court, but 2nd place isn't too shabby, although I didn't get any award/recognition or anything for it.

Thank you in advance!
you either got onto moot court, or you didn't.

you didn't. Don't put it on your resume. (or do you feel the need to explain to every interviewer how badly you suck at oral arguments?)

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Post by sublime » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:35 pm

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Post by guano » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:37 pm

sublime wrote:Semi related, but thoughts on how to handle being signed up for the moot court competition, but not doing it until fall?
If you're a 2L, I don't think it matters. If it does, try

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Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:23 pm

Anonymous User wrote:At my lower T-14 school's 1L moot court competition (to get on the moot court team), my appellate brief got the second highest score (out of 100+ 1L competitors). But I did so badly in the oral argument that I didn't get a position on the moot court team. Should I include in my resume the fact that my appellate brief was ranked second in the moot court competition?

I was going to leave it out because it's embarrassing that I didn't make it on to moot court, but 2nd place isn't too shabby, although I didn't get any award/recognition or anything for it.

Thank you in advance!
Definitely. I would say "Best Brief Finalist" or "Brief Ranked 2 of 160" or whatever.

FWIW, I'm a recent grad currently doing a federal clerkship. So, no expert, but I've seen a lot of resumes.

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Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:28 pm

OP here. Thanks for everyone's feedback-- I sincerely appreciate it. If I do include it, any suggestions on how to answer if I'm asked about why I'm not on the moot court team?

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Post by NorCalLaw » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:46 pm

You could say they were looking for excellent oralists but you didn't make that particular cut. Honestly, oral argument skills mean nothing to 90% of lawyers, but strong brief-writing is almost universally valuable.

I would include it in your resume if you're at all looking for things to put in. If your resume is already chock full of great stuff, leave it out.

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Post by wert3813 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:40 pm

NorCalLaw wrote:You could say they were looking for excellent oralists but you didn't make that particular cut. Honestly, oral argument skills mean nothing to 90% of lawyers, but strong brief-writing is almost universally valuable.

I would include it in your resume if you're at all looking for things to put in. If your resume is already chock full of great stuff, leave it out.
Surely there has to be a way to do it without making clear that you didn't make something off of it, right?

Mock appellate brief placed 2nd out of 100 briefs in 1L appellate competition.

I mean that's not even stretching the truth.

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Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:13 pm

I wouldn't put it unless you won best brief or top advocate. If, however, it was a regional or national competition then I would put it.

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Re: should I include this in my resume?

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:16 pm

NorCalLaw wrote:You could say they were looking for excellent oralists but you didn't make that particular cut. Honestly, oral argument skills mean nothing to 90% of lawyers, but strong brief-writing is almost universally valuable.

I would include it in your resume if you're at all looking for things to put in. If your resume is already chock full of great stuff, leave it out.
Unless you're trying to be Public Defender, then they think you would rather be writing briefs than being in court.

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Post by ggocat » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
NorCalLaw wrote:You could say they were looking for excellent oralists but you didn't make that particular cut. Honestly, oral argument skills mean nothing to 90% of lawyers, but strong brief-writing is almost universally valuable.

I would include it in your resume if you're at all looking for things to put in. If your resume is already chock full of great stuff, leave it out.
Unless you're trying to be Public Defender, then they think you would rather be writing briefs than being in court.
Do you even defend publicly?

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