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Re: Cravath or Quinn NYC
Practice area? Thoughts on sandals?
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Dress code is obviously in the mix but not anywhere near decisive. Complex litigation (antitrust, prod. liability, etc.)Anonymous User wrote:Practice area? Thoughts on sandals?
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I selected both choices, though I assume that's not an actual option for you.
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Danger Zone wrote:I selected both choices, though I assume that's not an actual option for you.
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Re: Cravath or Quinn NYC
These are both pretty horrible places to work as an associate, so your main focus in choosing between the two should be exit opportunities. I think Cravath is still a bit better on that score than Quinn.
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Oh you've worked at both of these places? Cool.enibs wrote:These are both pretty horrible places to work as an associate, so your main focus in choosing between the two should be exit opportunities. I think Cravath is still a bit better on that score than Quinn.
There are people at every single big law firm that have said it is 'horrible' to work at, and others who have thought it was fine. Anything you are saying is anecdotally, and I have heard anecdotes from associates at each of these firms that enjoyed working there. Experiences vary.
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Substantively, the most important difference is probably Plaintiff vs Defendant. Would you rather help defend banks or help sue banks? These two firms tend to focus on opposite sides of the v. As enibs mentioned, if you help defend banks you will have better connections to in-house opportunities at financial institutions. It is not clear where you go after 4-5 years of suing banks other than moving on to other private litigation firms. But perhaps suing banks is more interesting.
Another factor to consider is that Quinn is notoriously cheap with benefits, perks, etc relative to other firms. For example, Quinn associates cannot get dinner from Seamless for free unless you bill 10 hours in the day (most firms allow Seamless if you are there past X time).
Another factor to consider is that Quinn is notoriously cheap with benefits, perks, etc relative to other firms. For example, Quinn associates cannot get dinner from Seamless for free unless you bill 10 hours in the day (most firms allow Seamless if you are there past X time).
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Since the OP is asking about Cravath and Quinn, I assume that a great work-life balance is not his/her top priority.sandiego222 wrote:Oh you've worked at both of these places? Cool.enibs wrote:These are both pretty horrible places to work as an associate, so your main focus in choosing between the two should be exit opportunities. I think Cravath is still a bit better on that score than Quinn.
There are people at every single big law firm that have said it is 'horrible' to work at, and others who have thought it was fine. Anything you are saying is anecdotally, and I have heard anecdotes from associates at each of these firms that enjoyed working there. Experiences vary.
A place is terrible to work at if you don't like the work; if you like the work, long hours are bearable. I don't know much about Quinn, but at places like Cravath (also other top tier Wall Street corporate firms and litigation shops, W&C, S&C, Wachtell, etc.), you will work on the most interest, complex, and cutting-edge cases and deals, exposing you to the frontier of litigation and deal-making. You will work hard (and do tedious tasks at times), but as long as you are willing get out of the weeds and think high level regularly, the complexity and volume of cases and deals you will be exposed to will teach you a lot about how the world (business, politics, etc.) works beneath the surface.
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This - yes, both firms are known for having terrible hours. Clearly OP has considered this. However, both are also prestigious and clients will be high profile either way, so that's an issue of perspective. I think the issue is whether you really want to litigate, and have litigation-focused exit ops (naturally precluding others in high finance or strategy). If trial/depo experience is a high priority and those white-shoe exit ops aren't, I'd probably take Quinn. For the most variety of work & biggest names, Cravath.KaNa1986 wrote:Since the OP is asking about Cravath and Quinn, I assume that a great work-life balance is not his/her top priority.sandiego222 wrote:Oh you've worked at both of these places? Cool.enibs wrote:These are both pretty horrible places to work as an associate, so your main focus in choosing between the two should be exit opportunities. I think Cravath is still a bit better on that score than Quinn.
There are people at every single big law firm that have said it is 'horrible' to work at, and others who have thought it was fine. Anything you are saying is anecdotally, and I have heard anecdotes from associates at each of these firms that enjoyed working there. Experiences vary.
A place is terrible to work at if you don't like the work; if you like the work, long hours are bearable. I don't know much about Quinn, but at places like Cravath (also other top tier Wall Street corporate firms and litigation shops, W&C, S&C, Wachtell, etc.), you will work on the most interest, complex, and cutting-edge cases and deals, exposing you to the frontier of litigation and deal-making. You will work hard (and do tedious tasks at times), but as long as you are willing get out of the weeds and think high level regularly, the complexity and volume of cases and deals you will be exposed to will teach you a lot about how the world (business, politics, etc.) works beneath the surface.
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Do you like chasing the ambulance or being the ambulance that's being chased? That's basically the whole choice in a nutshell. Seems like a pretty obvious answer to me.
Edit: I am 100% joking and I know full well the above makes no sense.
Edit: I am 100% joking and I know full well the above makes no sense.
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OP here - I just want the best early-career litigation training.Anonymous User wrote:This - yes, both firms are known for having terrible hours. Clearly OP has considered this. However, both are also prestigious and clients will be high profile either way, so that's an issue of perspective. I think the issue is whether you really want to litigate, and have litigation-focused exit ops (naturally precluding others in high finance or strategy). If trial/depo experience is a high priority and those white-shoe exit ops aren't, I'd probably take Quinn. For the most variety of work & biggest names, Cravath.KaNa1986 wrote:Since the OP is asking about Cravath and Quinn, I assume that a great work-life balance is not his/her top priority.sandiego222 wrote:Oh you've worked at both of these places? Cool.enibs wrote:These are both pretty horrible places to work as an associate, so your main focus in choosing between the two should be exit opportunities. I think Cravath is still a bit better on that score than Quinn.
There are people at every single big law firm that have said it is 'horrible' to work at, and others who have thought it was fine. Anything you are saying is anecdotally, and I have heard anecdotes from associates at each of these firms that enjoyed working there. Experiences vary.
A place is terrible to work at if you don't like the work; if you like the work, long hours are bearable. I don't know much about Quinn, but at places like Cravath (also other top tier Wall Street corporate firms and litigation shops, W&C, S&C, Wachtell, etc.), you will work on the most interest, complex, and cutting-edge cases and deals, exposing you to the frontier of litigation and deal-making. You will work hard (and do tedious tasks at times), but as long as you are willing get out of the weeds and think high level regularly, the complexity and volume of cases and deals you will be exposed to will teach you a lot about how the world (business, politics, etc.) works beneath the surface.
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That's not a bad point, but there is nothing on TLS comparing the two so I thought I would bring it up now, in the off-seasonrad lulz wrote:How about you wait until you actually have the offers brah
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Very different in what they do and their culture. This is an odd choice to have (if you actually have this choice). I would go Cravath only because I find the whole "we're trial attorneys!" thing at Quinn annoying.
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Been working on a more pithy response:
Do you want to sue banks wearing sandals or defend them wearing suits?
Do you want to sue banks wearing sandals or defend them wearing suits?
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Re: Cravath or Quinn NYC
My friend at Quinn said that incoming first years take depositions within the first week, second-chair trials within the first month, and 85% of first-years have won their first trial by February, adding to Quinn's very impressive 88.5% victory rate seen on their website. So, Quinn.
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Unless its for pro bono cases, I sincerely doubt the bolded is true. Taking a good deposition is extremely difficult. I couldn't imagine them trusting it to a first year who barely knows what a deposition is.911 crisis actor wrote:My friend at Quinn said that incoming first years take depositions within the first week, second-chair trials within the first month, and 85% of first-years have won their first trial by February, adding to Quinn's very impressive 88.5% victory rate seen on their website. So, Quinn.
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And apparently you have to be a mid-level at your firm before you can be safely exposed to sarcasm.Blindmelon wrote:Unless its for pro bono cases, I sincerely doubt the bolded is true. Taking a good deposition is extremely difficult. I couldn't imagine them trusting it to a first year who barely knows what a deposition is.911 crisis actor wrote:My friend at Quinn said that incoming first years take depositions within the first week, second-chair trials within the first month, and 85% of first-years have won their first trial by February, adding to Quinn's very impressive 88.5% victory rate seen on their website. So, Quinn.
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Honestly, its hard to tell with Quinn people. I could imagine a Quinn associate actually saying that sadly.dead head wrote:And apparently you have to be a mid-level at your firm before you can be safely exposed to sarcasm.Blindmelon wrote:Unless its for pro bono cases, I sincerely doubt the bolded is true. Taking a good deposition is extremely difficult. I couldn't imagine them trusting it to a first year who barely knows what a deposition is.911 crisis actor wrote:My friend at Quinn said that incoming first years take depositions within the first week, second-chair trials within the first month, and 85% of first-years have won their first trial by February, adding to Quinn's very impressive 88.5% victory rate seen on their website. So, Quinn.
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That's why it was funny.Blindmelon wrote:I could imagine a Quinn associate actually saying that sadly.
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There are a lot of dumb, antisocial midlevel associates who lateral to Quinn for whatever reason. I'd go with Cravath.
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FWIW - I really can't believe any informed individual is going w/Quinn here. Neither place is going to be all wine and roses...but still
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