NLJ 250 numbers out Forum

[Tiago Splitter]

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=12 ... 0121230223

$300 for a subscription what the hell.

[Old Gregg]

1) CLS 65.45%
2) NYU 54.93%
3) HLS 53.55%
4) Chicago 53.02%
5) UPenn State 52.51%
6) NU 41.04%
7) Dook 48.55%
Stanford 47.09%
9) Cornell 45.08%
10) Boalt 44.85%
11) UVA 44.23%
12) UMaa 41.25%
13) Yale 38.83%
14) Gtwon 31.75%

[skri65]

Aw come on, don't tease...post the rest of the t30

Didn't mean to anon. You can out me

[Old Gregg]

Aw come on, don't tease...post the rest of the t30

Page 2?

No just kidding. I have zero energy or desire to do so.

[Anonymous User]

1) CLS 65.45%
2) NYU 54.93%
3) HLS 53.55%
4) Chicago 53.02%
5) UPenn State 52.51%
6) NU 41.04%
7) Dook 48.55%
Stanford 47.09%
9) Cornell 45.08%
10) Boalt 44.85%
11) UVA 44.23%
12) UMaa 41.25%
13) Yale 38.83%
14) Gtwon 31.75%

Is that a typo for NU?

[Old Gregg]

1) CLS 65.45%
2) NYU 54.93%
3) HLS 53.55%
4) Chicago 53.02%
5) UPenn State 52.51%
6) NU 41.04%
7) Dook 48.55%
Stanford 47.09%
9) Cornell 45.08%
10) Boalt 44.85%
11) UVA 44.23%
12) UMaa 41.25%
13) Yale 38.83%
14) Gtwon 31.75%

Is that a typo for NU?

Oh snap it's 51.05%.

[El Pollito]

SECOND PAGE PLEASE

[Old Gregg]

Edit: Just taking this down because apparently it's not free and my account has some sort of glitch that lets me access it.

[toothbrush]

Man, Yale is a terrible school.

[Old Gregg]

Man, Yale is a terrible school.

So is your mom.

[yomisterd]

Man, Yale is a terrible school.

Especially when another 35% are in Article III clerkships. Come on, Yale. Get your shit together.

[Bikeflip]

For comparison, last year's numbers:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... chool.html


Pennsylvania (60.4%)
Chicago (55.1%)
Columbia (53.1%)
NYU (52.9%)
Northwestern (51.4%)
Harvard (50.3%)
Duke (48.4%)
Stanford (47.3%)
UC-Berkeley (45.3%)
Cornell (44.3%)
Virginia (42.3%)
Michigan (38.4%)
Georgetown (31.3%)
Yale (30.6%)
UCLA (29.1%)
USC (28.6%)
Vanderbilt (26.3%)
Texas (25.8%)
Fordham (23.4%)
UC-Irvine (23.2%)
George Washington (22.5%)
Boston University (21.3%)
Boston College (21.1%)
Illinois (18.8%)
Washington University (16.3%)

[dead head]

Anyone have access to their methodology? Is it simply a scrape of NLJ 250 law-firm lawyer profiles?

OK, got it from LST:
"Methodology: Data for this Go-To Law Schools special report were provided by the law firms surveyed for the NLJ 250, The National Law Journal’s annual survey of the nation’s 250 largest law firms by headcount. For firms that did not submit new associate numbers, we relied on data from ALM Media's RivalEdge database and independent reporting. We determined rankings by the percentage of 2012 juries doctor graduates who took associate jobs at NLJ 250 firms. In all, we have data from 248 firms covering 4,429 graduates. The two missing firms are Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison and King & Spalding. The rankings do not reflect law graduates who took clerkships following graduation. "

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looks a lil better than last year, but definitely not by much

[JWalker]

Holy cow!

537 JDs from NYU? Are there really THAT many transfers???

[Tiago Splitter]

Anyone have access to their methodology? Is it simply a scrape of NLJ 250 law-firm lawyer profiles?

OK, got it from LST:
"Methodology: Data for this Go-To Law Schools special report were provided by the law firms surveyed for the NLJ 250, The National Law Journal’s annual survey of the nation’s 250 largest law firms by headcount. For firms that did not submit new associate numbers, we relied on data from ALM Media's RivalEdge database and independent reporting. We determined rankings by the percentage of 2012 juries doctor graduates who took associate jobs at NLJ 250 firms. In all, we have data from 248 firms covering 4,429 graduates. The two missing firms are Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison and King & Spalding. The rankings do not reflect law graduates who took clerkships following graduation. "

This is last year. I imagine they did something similar this year, but the missing firms are probably different. I know that last year they only had info for Davis Polk's Menlo Park office, for example, but given the CLS number it's hard to believe they left out all of Paul Weiss and DPW NYC.

[Old Gregg]

FYI, I don't have a paid subscription for NLJ and I wasn't on my firm's computer when I accessed that, so I don't know if it's really behind a paywall.

[skri65]

FYI, I don't have a paid subscription for NLJ and I wasn't on my firm's computer when I accessed that, so I don't know if it's really behind a paywall.

Don't know how you pulled it off, but it's definitely behind a paywall. Going to have to wait to get the rest of the NLJ 250 numbers.

[Old Gregg]

PSA: If your decision to attend law school hinges on the results of this survey, and you're not deciding between T14s...

DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL.


Of course, doesn't mean you should go to law school even if you are deciding between T14s. But, believe me, I'm doing you a favor not posting the rest of the numbers.

[skri65]

You assume the people wanting to know page 2 aren't already in law school and just want to know the rest of the numbers...in which case we just want to know how screwed we will be by graduation.

[Old Gregg]

You assume the people wanting to know page 2 aren't already in law school and just want to know the rest of the numbers...in which case we just want to know how screwed we will be by graduation.

Nah, I don't assume that. I just think that that desire is dumb and if it's behind a $300 paywall, time to move on to fulfilling other desires.

If someone posts a compelling need for the rest of the numbers, I will post them. I have them all saved to my hard drive either way so it's NBD when NLJ finally figures out how I randomly have access to this stuff.

[hunter.d]

A full picture of the legal employment market is a compelling reason for everybody. Is there a greater bifurcation between T-14 and the rest? Was there small but broad-based rises in employment stats? 0Ls can get another chance to look at the small chances they have at lower ranked schools.

More information the better seems to be a general rule that definitely applies here.

[El Pollito]

You assume the people wanting to know page 2 aren't already in law school and just want to know the rest of the numbers...in which case we just want to know how screwed we will be by graduation.

I just wanted to drop an OperaSoprano meme.

[zman]

What a bunch of losers. last year all of that was free. The NLJ 250 list, how many people each big firm hired and from what school.. All for free.. I bet their traffic will TANK and no more advertisement money.

[Old Gregg]

Is there a greater bifurcation between T-14 and the rest? Was there small but broad-based rises in employment stats?

Impossible to determine from the information, since some firms were missing in the prior survey and different firms will be missing from this survey (and, in the methodology, they don't even say which firms are missing anymore). Sorry, I really just don't want to perpetuate a 20 page thread on mindlessly arguing what could possibly explain the numbers. It's a Saturday--go out and have fun.

0Ls can get another chance to look at the small chances they have at lower ranked schools.

They suck. 7.7% one year versus 7.9% another year doesn't make a difference. And I pulled those numbers out of thin air so don't go off trying to guess which school I'm talking about.

More information the better seems to be a general rule that definitely applies here.

Not when the information sucks.