The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls) Forum

Bikeflip · Post by **Bikeflip** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:19 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:I've gotten interviews with employers who specifically requested just a resume by sending...wait for it...just a resume. I always send specifically what they request, make sure that the email indicates I have transcript, writing sample and references available upon request, and write a bit longer intro email if no cover letter.

This. I've found that giving a person more than what they want just annoys them. If they're interested, they'll ask for more info or an interview.

Minor good news: A prof I like has a fair amount of contacts for me to talk to.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:28 pm

Geist13 wrote: What does everyone think about sending in a resume alone when a cover letter is not specifically requested? I've always thought cover letters do me a disservice since my resume is pretty strong, but I suck at writing about myself; I've never been able to do it. Decent mid-size firm, looking for entry level in my market, would be pumped as shit to land an interview. They don't specify any particular items to include in the application. Are cover letters really necessary? Are they actually read? I can't imagine actually reading them with a straight face.

If they don't ask for one but don't specifically say, "send a resume," I'd probably write an abbreviated cover letter as the text of the email to which I attached a resume.

TTH · Post by **TTH** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:37 pm

rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: Quit finding excuses to be lazy and write the damn thing. Unbelievable attitude, especially since you are in the vale. The time for wondering about utility of cover letters is long past. Just do it.

I hate writing them too (who doesn't??). But once I finally sucked it up and got it down before OCI, all I've had do since were minor modifications.
COURAGEOUS anon rant

Mods should out this fool. Oh well.

Regarding my hypothetical CALI, let me elaborate.

The title of the course in the catalog is "Seminar: Evidence and Trial Practice"

I figure most people looking at a CALI for a seminar won't give a shit (prob won't give a shit anyhow), but I feel like if I put "CALI Award - Evidence and Trial Practice" someone might think I'm lying about having CALIs in those two courses. Guess it probably doesn't matter.

Geist13 · Post by **Geist13** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:37 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:I've gotten interviews with employers who specifically requested just a resume by sending...wait for it...just a resume. I always send specifically what they request, make sure that the email indicates I have transcript, writing sample and references available upon request, and write a bit longer intro email if no cover letter.

Yeah I'd never send more than is requested. Nor would I ever send less than requested. The particular posting in question doesn't specify any materials. My original post was unclear about that.

Geist13 · Post by **Geist13** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:42 pm

TTH wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: Quit finding excuses to be lazy and write the damn thing. Unbelievable attitude, especially since you are in the vale. The time for wondering about utility of cover letters is long past. Just do it.

I hate writing them too (who doesn't??). But once I finally sucked it up and got it down before OCI, all I've had do since were minor modifications.
COURAGEOUS anon rant
Mods should out this fool. Oh well.

Regarding my hypothetical CALI, let me elaborate.

The title of the course in the catalog is "Seminar: Evidence and Trial Practice"

I figure most people looking at a CALI for a seminar won't give a shit (prob won't give a shit anyhow), but I feel like if I put "CALI Award - Evidence and Trial Practice" someone might think I'm lying about having CALIs in those two courses. Guess it probably doesn't matter.

Yeah I see what you're worried about. I think just putting the full title is best. I doubt there are a significant number of people who would be impressed with a CALI in a bar course but not impressed with a CALI in a seminar. It's out of your hands either way. I do think it'd be a bit silly to just omit it though.

Post by **dailygrind** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:46 pm

FTR, I outed the dude.

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:31 pm

dailygrind wrote:FTR, I outed the dude.

He deleted the poast and is not outed

Post by **dailygrind** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:35 pm

Damn, I hate that editing the post takes it back to the anon post. Well, at least he knows shame. It's Night_L.

TTH · Post by **TTH** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:18 pm

dailygrind wrote:Damn, I hate that editing the post takes it back to the anon post. Well, at least he knows shame. It's Night_L.

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:58 pm

He was some douche with like 10 posts. I never understand why those dudes go anon. You're already anonymous bro

iceman219 · Post by **iceman219** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:23 am

FWIW, from my recent experiences it seems that real estate work has really picked up in the last 6 months. And no, I'm not just talking about pure closing work either.

I've networked a ton through an experienced (30 years+) residential real estate broker, who my friend works for, and as the broker sits in on a ton of boards and has been around the block a few times, has been able to personally introduce me to 4 or 5 firms. Have had 2 solid sit down interviews, and while both of them more or less have been "talk to me after taking the Bar," neither of the firms are looking to advertise for these projected positions. Additionally, my 2L summer firm, which is all RE (~50 attorneys) appears to be ready to pull the trigger on FINALLY hiring from last year's SA class; I have an honest-to-God interview (as in "we have a position we're looking to fill") next week.

For any of you who don't have a connection like that, work the church angle or family friends or what not, to try and sit down for informational interviews and get the wheels turning. That's how my meeting with the real estate broker almost 2 years ago got all these wheels in motion (including my 2L summer job!). And I'm top third at a school that is clinging to the T100

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:06 am

Yeah real estate and L&E seem to be heating up if you have the experience

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:02 am

Anyone from t14 law schools? Looking for support

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:15 pm

T14 here, from a DNCG school, still looking, haven't gotten an interview in ages, tons of networking over the past two years hasn't really panned out, and symplicity is a bust. You have any contingency plan lined up, other T14 person?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:18 pm

T14 CCN here. I suck at networking but had a few interviews last fall from mass mails. Contingency plan is moving back to state where I'm taking the bar and applying to more jobs over the summer. Womp womp.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:53 am

Anonymous User wrote:T14 here, from a DNCG school, still looking, haven't gotten an interview in ages, tons of networking over the past two years hasn't really panned out, and symplicity is a bust. You have any contingency plan lined up, other T14 person?

I went to a T14 in NE and graduated with top 20% grades; made law review. But no interviews. My school has huge class sizes and also known for graduates who went unemployed. Struggling with depression now.

Trying to get something with family connections and find work in Asia.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:00 am

Anonymous User wrote:T14 CCN here. I suck at networking but had a few interviews last fall from mass mails. Contingency plan is moving back to state where I'm taking the bar and applying to more jobs over the summer. Womp womp.

Hope you are not my alumnus...

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:11 pm

at t14 too

you know what i hate

when you go see career services

and they are condescending per usual

and they leave the fucking door open

so that the transfer who's going to skadden

who's sitting outside

can hear your business

and smile at you in pity on your way out

fuck this shit

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:16 pm

Career services is so fucking worthless. I kept refusing their help because they suck, but finally I got desperate enough to give in and I answered one of their emails and let them know that, yes, I was still looking for a job. Now they email me about jobs they post on symplicity a couple hours after they're posted (and after I have of course already applied to them). Thanks assholes.

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:19 pm

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:21 pm

rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:at t14 too

you know what i hate

when you go see career services

and they are condescending per usual

and they leave the fucking door open

so that the transfer who's going to skadden

who's sitting outside

can hear your business

and smile at you in pity on your way out

fuck this shit
I close the door during all of my CSO time.

What the hell is a transfer w a jerb doing at CSO

shuffling papers

and being a general cunt obvs

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:02 pm

Just received an interview with a NLJ250 firm. There is still hope!

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:06 pm

Good luck!

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just received an interview with a NLJ250 firm. There is still hope!

Good luck, oh my brother

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:09 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:Career services is so fucking worthless. I kept refusing their help because they suck, but finally I got desperate enough to give in and I answered one of their emails and let them know that, yes, I was still looking for a job. Now they email me about jobs they post on symplicity a couple hours after they're posted (and after I have of course already applied to them). Thanks assholes.

I don't think mine ever got me an interview, but it was nice to be able to vent to her.

I'll always appreciate that.

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