GULC 2012 EIW Forum

[chipchip]

I got 12........ A little disappointing b/c I really tried to be pretty darned risk-averse, spreading bids b/w DC, NYC, and Atlanta (ties). Mostly annoyed that I didn't get any of the big DC shops (no W&C, Wilmer, A&P, Hogan, Covington) when my rankings+ bid statistics should have given me at least two of them (and my grades would have given me a shot at an offer).

So email the firms' recruiting coordinators and ask them to fit you in during their screener days. It happens. The game isn't over yet.

[jess]

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[Anonymous User]

Ideas for how to phrase a follow up email for a firm I bid on outside of my top 20 that I did not get an interview with? It's easy for the firms that were in the top 20, but how can I tactfully say "I really want to interview with you," even when they know that they weren't in my top 20 firms? I'm a very competitive candidate for all of these firms, if that makes a difference.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

If you are "a very competitive candidate for all of these firms" then shouldn't you be telling us how we should phrase our follow up letters? I am just saying that if you are going to be a firm partner/overlord of the masses then maybe you should get used to wiping your own --- before telling the world you are a big kid now.

Ideas for how to phrase a follow up email for a firm I bid on outside of my top 20 that I did not get an interview with? It's easy for the firms that were in the top 20, but how can I tactfully say "I really want to interview with you," even when they know that they weren't in my top 20 firms? I'm a very competitive candidate for all of these firms, if that makes a difference.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Um, I'm not the OP, but this response is a little ridiculous. It's slightly obnoxious to say yer that "very competitive" candidate, but one could imagine a student with the GPA, etc. to be very competitive at every firm at EIW. And it wouldn't follow that that very competitive person would know the best way to address a cover letter in this admittedly somewhat awkward situation. I don't think OP was trying to be a jerk.

[Anonymous User]

If you are "a very competitive candidate for all of these firms" then shouldn't you be telling us how we should phrase our follow up letters? I am just saying that if you are going to be a firm partner/overlord of the masses then maybe you should get used to wiping your own --- before telling the world you are a big kid now.

Ideas for how to phrase a follow up email for a firm I bid on outside of my top 20 that I did not get an interview with? It's easy for the firms that were in the top 20, but how can I tactfully say "I really want to interview with you," even when they know that they weren't in my top 20 firms? I'm a very competitive candidate for all of these firms, if that makes a difference.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Um, I'm not the OP, but this response is a little ridiculous. It's slightly obnoxious to say yer that "very competitive" candidate, but one could imagine a student with the GPA, etc. to be very competitive at every firm at EIW. And it wouldn't follow that that very competitive person would know the best way to address a cover letter in this admittedly somewhat awkward situation. I don't think OP was trying to be a jerk.

Also not OP, but +1 . This is a place for support, not to take unnecessary umbrage at a legitimate question with no real hints of humble-bragging. OP, even if you weren't super-competitive it'd be worth doing, so the only difference that will make is in the likelihood of them liking your metrics; there's no reason for you to point that out in your letter as they'll see it on your resume/transcript. HTH.

[Anonymous User]

I see the EIW bitterness is already starting...

Just to stoke the fires a bit, I hope whoever made that comment realizes that the people at the top of the class are possibly the least likely to know how to word things in awkward emails. Social graces and being a "very competitive candidate" are not necessarily correlated.

[Anonymous User]

If you are "a very competitive candidate for all of these firms" then shouldn't you be telling us how we should phrase our follow up letters? I am just saying that if you are going to be a firm partner/overlord of the masses then maybe you should get used to wiping your own --- before telling the world you are a big kid now.

Ideas for how to phrase a follow up email for a firm I bid on outside of my top 20 that I did not get an interview with? It's easy for the firms that were in the top 20, but how can I tactfully say "I really want to interview with you," even when they know that they weren't in my top 20 firms? I'm a very competitive candidate for all of these firms, if that makes a difference.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Um, I'm not the OP, but this response is a little ridiculous. It's slightly obnoxious to say yer that "very competitive" candidate, but one could imagine a student with the GPA, etc. to be very competitive at every firm at EIW. And it wouldn't follow that that very competitive person would know the best way to address a cover letter in this admittedly somewhat awkward situation. I don't think OP was trying to be a jerk.

Also not OP, but +1 . This is a place for support, not to take unnecessary umbrage at a legitimate question with no real hints of humble-bragging. OP, even if you weren't super-competitive it'd be worth doing, so the only difference that will make is in the likelihood of them liking your metrics; there's no reason for you to point that out in your letter as they'll see it on your resume/transcript. HTH.

Ok, so I AM the OP, and all I was trying to do by adding that extra bit of info was to indicate that I'm not trying to score an interview with Sullivan & Cromwell, for instance, when I bid at them from median -- which might lead to different advice about how to word such an email. Also, I wouldn't NOT email them if I had different qualifications, clearly, but the phrasing might just be different.

To be clear, when I said I'm competitive for "all of these firms," I merely meant "all" of the firms that I bid on outside my top 20 that I didn't get interviews at -- not every firm at EIW. That's pretty clear if you read my original post.

Anon above: where you got "overlord of the masses"-attitude from, I'm not totally certain, but feel free to think whatever you want, I guess.

[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't worry about it.

To get back to substance -- I generally addressed these emails as "I am disappointed that I did not get an interview with your firm, but I remain very interested in joining X as a summer associate. Please let me know if there is a time I can meet with a (firm) attorney."

OBviously more formal, but you don't have to apologize for not bidding them top 20. They certainly won't apologize for rejecting you, or waiting to give you an offer until more competitive candidates make their decision.

Plus I'm not sure OCS is entirely forthcoming about who gets resumes. Two firms I bid outside the top 20 contacted me and said they wanted to interview me. I'm not sure why OCS wouldn't tell us that all 50 firms get our resumes, but one of these firms I bid 48th on a whim, and hte other was in the 30s.

So take that for what it's worth.

[jess]

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[Anonymous User]

Plus I'm not sure OCS is entirely forthcoming about who gets resumes. Two firms I bid outside the top 20 contacted me and said they wanted to interview me. I'm not sure why OCS wouldn't tell us that all 50 firms get our resumes, but one of these firms I bid 48th on a whim, and hte other was in the 30s.

So take that for what it's worth.

OCS said that they have a "waitlist" of the next 30 people who would have gotten interviews at the firm and they send those resumes off.

[Anonymous User]

In keeping with the original spirit of this thread:

Approximate class rank: not really sure at all, but top 33% is a safe bet -- likely higher but I don't want to speculate
Journal: main
Moot Court, Beaudry, etc.: nope
IP backbround: No
Significant work experience: None of the listed ones, but plenty of experience otherwise
Years out of undergrad: 2+
Prestigious undergrad: Yes
Other relevant factors (e.g., URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military): URM, LGBT, older than the average GULC student, fairly interesting personal background
Target markets: --
Type of work sought: Litigation, Reg
Self-assessed interviewing ability: great/good
Screeners or callbacks prior to EIW from mass-mailing: 7
Screeners received for EIW: 11
Callbacks received from EIW screeners: 1 + 2 from non-EIW shenanigans.
Offers received: 3

--Betty Boop

Updated 9/10/12.

[henry flower]

Is anyone going to the White & Case OCI reception Monday night? My last interview that day ends right when this event starts, and I have (so far) 7 interviews the following day to prepare for. I can't decide if I should try to go or not.

I haven't heard about this, but I would probably go if it's general invitation. Is it only for folks w/White & Case interviews? I bid them but didn't get them:/

[mr_toad]

I have an interview and was invited. Connection makes sense.

[jess]

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[Anonymous User]

abc easy as 123

[mr_toad]

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[Anonymous User]

This would be WAY better as a PM. Let me know if you want me to delete the quoted material, BB.

Yes, please... I'm realizing how this could go badly very fast; sorry I didn't think about that. Delete! I'm editing mine as well. Sorry everyone -- let's get back on track.

For example, are people doing non-EIW career fairs? Is there a general sense as to the value of these?

--Betty Boop

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have luck with open sign-ups? Picked up MoFo DC and Paul Hastings DC.

[Anonymous User]

Got White & Case(NY) and Morgan Lewis (Philly)

[mr_toad]

Gibson Dunn NYC and Jones Day Cleveland. Here's hoping for more tomorrow...

[Anonymous User]

Simpson Thatcher and Cravath

[jess]

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[Zindras]

Gibson Dunn NYC and Jones Day Cleveland. Here's hoping for more tomorrow...

How exactly does this work -- do slots continue to open up over the week or is what we see now what we get?

[Mike12188]

Gibson Dunn NYC and Jones Day Cleveland. Here's hoping for more tomorrow...

How exactly does this work -- do slots continue to open up over the week or is what we see now what we get?

You can cancel up until the 10th, so slots will open up as people cancel.