2012 UVA OGI Thread Forum

[thesealocust]

So is there such a thing as "trickle-down" at this stage, albeit to a lesser degree than bidding?

i.e. if the people who bid NY for safety turn down callbacks because they get X market they really want, is there any chance more could be passed on? Does anyone on the inside of a firm have experience that things work this way sometimes?

Yes, that happens. It's not super common, but it happens.

[Cavalier]

I'd wait 24-48 hours after callbacks go out before assuming a rejection. Usually the screening interviewer gives callbacks, so if a firm has two or three interviewers, calls may go out at different times depending on the interviewers' availability. Other times, the screening interviewer really clicks with an interviewee and calls him or her on the trip home, and then the other callbacks go out a day or two later (this happened to two of my friends).

IIRC Skadden (NY) did multiple rounds of callbacks two years ago. I believe other firms did so as well, but I can't remember which. It's not common though.

For those who are unhappy with their performance so far, get off TLS and start mailing firms--even smaller firms that you wouldn't have considered otherwise. Two years ago, a friend had a terrible time getting DC callbacks, so he applied to all the NALP firms from his hometown (secondary market), got a ton of interviews, and found a job at a mid-size firm that pays six figures. Yes, it's not the DC Vault firm that he originally wanted, but it's still a great job. If you wait until September before pursuing non-major market Vault firms, you'll have tougher odds.

[desertlaw]

I'd wait 24-48 hours after callbacks go out before assuming a rejection. Usually the screening interviewer gives callbacks, so if a firm has two or three interviewers, calls may go out at different times depending on the interviewers' availability. Other times, the screening interviewer really clicks with an interviewee and calls him or her on the trip home, and then the other callbacks go out a day or two later (this happened to two of my friends).

IIRC Skadden (NY) did multiple rounds of callbacks two years ago. I believe other firms did so as well, but I can't remember which. It's not common though.

For those who are unhappy with their performance so far, get off TLS and start mailing firms--even smaller firms that you wouldn't have considered otherwise. Two years ago, a friend had a terrible time getting DC callbacks, so he applied to all the NALP firms from his hometown (secondary market), got a ton of interviews, and found a job at a mid-size firm that pays six figures. Yes, it's not the DC Vault firm that he originally wanted, but it's still a great job. If you wait until September before pursuing non-major market Vault firms, you'll have tougher odds.

Can we just have Cavalier and Thesealocust sit in ScoCo with some whiskey during the next 2 weeks for whomever needs to be comforted during this stressful time? Bring them some food, they give you whiskey and advice in return.

[thesealocust]

too busy playing diablo 3

[Cavalier]

too busy playing diablo 3

[Law Sauce]

Added link to Callback specific thread to the OP for those who post there anonymously and then are having a hard time finding it again.

[Anonymous User]

OMG GUY IN THE READING ROOM WHO'S SCHEDULING HIS CB GO ELSEWHERE!

[luckyme]

OMG GUY IN THE READING ROOM WHO'S SCHEDULING HIS CB GO ELSEWHERE!

lol

[Cavalier]

OMG GUY IN THE READING ROOM WHO'S SCHEDULING HIS CB GO ELSEWHERE!

And that's why you shouldn't hang around the law school. It only gets worse: next week, you'll probably overhear someone rant "with all my callbacks and my law review cite check, this is the busiest I've ever been!" In a month, s/he will ask you about your summer plans, even though the two of you barely talk, just so s/he has the opportunity to tell you that s/he just accepted an offer at Sullivan & Cromwell.

For all the 1Ls who begin law school next week and are following this thread: these are your future classmates!

[pertristis]

OMG GUY IN THE READING ROOM WHO'S SCHEDULING HIS CB GO ELSEWHERE!

You didn't "accidentally" hit the lamp a few times?

[Anonymous User]

1. Are professors really that understanding? In the interest of getting in early as TLS advises re: "rolling" schedules, I am set to miss a big chunk of the first week if not all of it. (Excluding a scenario where first-class attendance is required on SIS.)

2. Are there any major market V100s that do not cover travel expenses? If you speak to a recruiter and they do not mention that you will receive information on this, I'm assuming the prudent thing is to assume the answer to my question is yes, and never broach the subject?

[thesealocust]

1. Are professors really that understanding? In the interest of getting in early as TLS advises re: "rolling" schedules, I am set to miss a big chunk of the first week if not all of it. (Excluding a scenario where first-class attendance is required on SIS.)

Who cares if they're understanding or not. They are not going to employ you.

2. Are there any major market V100s that do not cover travel expenses?

No.

If you speak to a recruiter and they do not mention that you will receive information on this, I'm assuming the prudent thing is to assume the answer to my question is yes, and never broach the subject?

If you don't need lodging or travel beyond reimbursement for driving, then no need. Print off a NALP form if you don't get one at your callback. If you need lodging and/or travel arrangements, then you should ask the recruiter because it's likely the firm has a travel agent or department you should use for that purpose.

[Cavalier]

Some professors refuse to record classes. Some seminar professors refuse to waive the requirement that you attend the first day of class. I've found that most are willing to record, but even if they aren't I wouldn't worry about it. Learn whatever you missed from class by reading a friend's notes or an old outline, or alternatively, ignore making up what you missed since grades don't matter once you find a job. This isn't 1L anymore; schedule your callbacks as early as possible without regard to class, get an offer, and then ride the median for two years.

[Anonymous User]

14/24 down haven't heard a peep but most firms I've spoken to have already sent out callbacks, is it ok to panic now?

[thesealocust]

14/24 down haven't heard a peep but most firms I've spoken to have already sent out callbacks, is it ok to panic now?

No.

[Anonymous User]

14/24 down haven't heard a peep but most firms I've spoken to have already sent out callbacks, is it ok to panic now?

Same boat. Not sure which market you're looking at but NY seems tough this year with lots of LR grades and 3.6+'s.

[Anonymous User]

14/24 down haven't heard a peep but most firms I've spoken to have already sent out callbacks, is it ok to panic now?

Same boat. Not sure which market you're looking at but NY seems tough this year with lots of LR grades and 3.6+'s.

Yeah I'm looking alot NYC, I have like 5 non lottery firms left and today was ok for me so I'm still hopeful but tough to not think I'm doing something wrong when some people with very similar stats to me have 5+

[Anonymous User]

14/24 down haven't heard a peep but most firms I've spoken to have already sent out callbacks, is it ok to panic now?

Same boat. Not sure which market you're looking at but NY seems tough this year with lots of LR grades and 3.6+'s.

Same boat +1. I think this is big. Have a few CBs so doing slightly better than the original anon, but there is definitely stiff competition for the top NY firms this year.

[Anonymous User]

wrong forum

[Anonymous User]

"Best of luck in the OGI process. I know you'll do just fine."
"You're going to be great, you're going to get a lot of offers."
"The next 20 minutes are not going to be me asking you to pitch yourself but me pitching the firm to you."

= kiss of death

Seriously, I've received no CBs from any of the interviewers who have said that

[Anonymous User]

"Best of luck in the OGI process. I know you'll do just fine."
"You're going to be great, you're going to get a lot of offers."
"The next 20 minutes are not going to be me asking you to pitch yourself but me pitching the firm to you."

= kiss of death

Seriously, I've received no CBs from any of the interviewers who have said that

I've had all of those in screeners and all have led to a callback. There is no way to know from the screener. They simply have their lines that they throw at everybody, because that's what people do when they have to interview 20 different people in one day. Don't read anything into it one way or the other. Just go in there prepared, do the best you can, and hope for good news.

[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't put any stock in anything interviewers say

[RVP11]

"Best of luck in the OGI process. I know you'll do just fine."
"You're going to be great, you're going to get a lot of offers."
"The next 20 minutes are not going to be me asking you to pitch yourself but me pitching the firm to you."

= kiss of death

Seriously, I've received no CBs from any of the interviewers who have said that

I've never gotten the "good luck" line, but I've gotten the other two lines and still gotten callbacks. I really don't think there's anything beyond "I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A CALLBACK" and "I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A CALLBACK" that can be considered definitive either way.

[Anonymous User]

Mid 3.5, LR, all NY:

18 interviews this week
1 callback.

But no email dings/no snail mail dings, so that's something. One trouble that I have with interviews is running out of things to say. The interviewer and I will be chatting about something, and then the conversation just dies and he/she asks me something else. I don't think I'm naturally chatty.

[Anonymous User]

Just a little off-topic ... but:

Did anyone else notice, through an OGI-induced haze, how absolutely good-looking one of the recruiters from Kasowitz was? Yowza.