My OCI bidlist Forum

[androstan]

GPA 3.556, hopefully won't change much once grades are released. Hard science/engineering undergrad and masters. Just finished 1LE at GWU.

Baker & Hostetler
Baker & McKenzie
Bingham McCutchen
Bryan Cave
cooley llp (If I can maintain >3.5 GPA)
Drinker Biddle & Reath
Finnegan (If I can manage to stay ~3.55 GPA)
Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto
Frommer, Lawrence & Haug (If >3.5 GPA)
Goodwin Procter (If maintain 3.55)
Hamilton, Brook, Smith & Reynolds
Hughes Hubbard & Reed
Hunton & Williams
Keller and Heckman (If 3.55)
Knobbe Martens
Leydig, Voit & Meyer
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy
Paul Hastings (NY)
Pillsbury Winthrop
Richards, Layton & Finger (Wilmington, DE)
Rothwell, Figg, Ernst & Manbeck, PC
Sterne, Kessler, Goldstein & Fox
vedder price pc
Vinson & Elkins
Watt, tieder, Hoffar & Fitzgerald
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

[LawIdiot86]

GPA 3.556, hopefully won't change much once grades are released. Hard science/engineering undergrad and masters. Just finished 1LE at GWU.

Baker & Hostetler
Baker & McKenzie
Bingham McCutchen
Bryan Cave
Cooley LLP (If I can maintain >3.5 GPA)
Drinker Biddle & Reath
Finnegan (If I can manage to stay ~3.55 GPA)
Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto
Frommer, Lawrence & Haug (If >3.5 GPA)
Goodwin Procter (If maintain 3.55)
Hamilton, Brook, Smith & Reynolds
Hughes Hubbard & Reed
Hunton & Williams
Keller and Heckman (If 3.55)
Knobbe Martens
Leydig, Voit & Meyer
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy
Paul Hastings (NY)
Pillsbury Winthrop
Richards, Layton & Finger (Wilmington, DE)
Rothwell, Figg, Ernst & Manbeck, PC
Sterne, Kessler, Goldstein & Fox
Vedder Price PC
Vinson & Elkins
Watt, tieder, Hoffar & Fitzgerald
Weil, Gotshal & Manges

Why RLF? And why no Fish & Richardson? Also, Baker & McKenzie isn't worth the wasted bid.

Edit: Cooley will seriously consider a lower than 3.55 GPA. Also, what cities and what rank order?

[Anonymous User]

RLF has almost no IP. It's really only the place to be for Bankruptcy and Chancery Lit.

[androstan]

RLF has almost no IP. It's really only the place to be for Bankruptcy and Chancery Lit.

Just hedging my bets to get *something*.

Are you sure Cooley will seriously consider sub 3.55's? Their "hiring criteria" for OCI indicates they are looking for top 25%, which is around 3.55. I'm not, yet, at the point where I've decided on a rank order for these firms. I need to do more research for that.

With respect to fish and richardson, they're oddly not on the GW 2012 FRP list.

I decided to, generally, not bid anywhere that's looking for >3.6 because it would be wasted.

Also, my degrees are not EE, ME, or CS.

[LawIdiot86]

RLF has almost no IP. It's really only the place to be for Bankruptcy and Chancery Lit.

Just hedging my bets to get *something*.

Are you sure Cooley will seriously consider sub 3.55's? Their "hiring criteria" for OCI indicates they are looking for top 25%, which is around 3.55. I'm not, yet, at the point where I've decided on a rank order for these firms. I need to do more research for that.

With respect to Fish and Richardson, they're oddly not on the GW 2012 FRP list.

I decided to, generally, not bid anywhere that's looking for >3.6 because it would be wasted.

Also, my degrees are not EE, ME, or CS.

RLF will want an awesome "Delaware story." It's not a "something" bid.

Yes, I'm sure Cooley will. Also, ignore the "hiring criteria" work off the GPA table.

You also haven't defined your markets yet. That's key, even for IP.

And I just confirmed that Fish is coming to GULC, not GW for IP only. My bad.

[androstan]

RLF has almost no IP. It's really only the place to be for Bankruptcy and Chancery Lit.

Just hedging my bets to get *something*.

Are you sure Cooley will seriously consider sub 3.55's? Their "hiring criteria" for OCI indicates they are looking for top 25%, which is around 3.55. I'm not, yet, at the point where I've decided on a rank order for these firms. I need to do more research for that.

With respect to Fish and Richardson, they're oddly not on the GW 2012 FRP list.

I decided to, generally, not bid anywhere that's looking for >3.6 because it would be wasted.

Also, my degrees are not EE, ME, or CS.

RLF will want an awesome "Delaware story." It's not a "something" bid.

Yes, I'm sure Cooley will. Also, ignore the "hiring criteria" work of the GPA table.

You also haven't defined your markets yet. That's key, even for IP.

And I just confirmed that Fish is coming to GULC, not GW for IP only. My bad.

Thanks for the invaluable info. As far as markets, I'd prefer to just stay in the Baltimore/DC area, but honestly I'd go anywhere in the country for the opportunity to be a "real lawyer" and get serious, substantive legal training.

Also, if I ignore the "hiring criteria," how am I going to decide how to bid? Should I blanket the Amlaw <50 with significant IP/patent practices?

[LawIdiot86]

RLF has almost no IP. It's really only the place to be for Bankruptcy and Chancery Lit.

Just hedging my bets to get *something*.

Are you sure Cooley will seriously consider sub 3.55's? Their "hiring criteria" for OCI indicates they are looking for top 25%, which is around 3.55. I'm not, yet, at the point where I've decided on a rank order for these firms. I need to do more research for that.

With respect to Fish and Richardson, they're oddly not on the GW 2012 FRP list.

I decided to, generally, not bid anywhere that's looking for >3.6 because it would be wasted.

Also, my degrees are not EE, ME, or CS.

RLF will want an awesome "Delaware story." It's not a "something" bid.

Yes, I'm sure Cooley will. Also, ignore the "hiring criteria" work of the GPA table.

You also haven't defined your markets yet. That's key, even for IP.

And I just confirmed that Fish is coming to GULC, not GW for IP only. My bad.

Thanks for the invaluable info. As far as markets, I'd prefer to just stay in the Baltimore/DC area, but honestly I'd go anywhere in the country for the opportunity to be a "real lawyer" and get serious, substantive legal training.

Then you should also be looking at Venable, Kilpatrick, Dickstein, Miles, Cozen, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, Hollingsworth and Semmes.

[androstan]

Then you should also be looking at Venable, Kilpatrick, Dickstein, Miles, Cozen, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, Hollingsworth and Semmes.

Those seem like big reaches... can you justify?

[LawIdiot86]

Then you should also be looking at Venable, Kilpatrick, Dickstein, Miles, Cozen, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, Hollingsworth and Semmes.

Those seem like big reaches... can you justify?

I go to a T14 and tried to adjust our GPAs to what your range indicates.

Venable/Dickstein are huge DC firms that have historically hired around our median.
Kilpatrick is the result of the merger of an IP firm and a general firm, so they have a massive IP presence
Hollingsworth is litigation-centric and tends to hire fairly low on the curve
Cozen is in the DC/Balt area and just expanded its IP practice in a big way
Miles, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, and Semmes are regional Balt/DC firms that should take a GPA below that of Venable/Dickstein.

[androstan]

Then you should also be looking at Venable, Kilpatrick, Dickstein, Miles, Cozen, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, Hollingsworth and Semmes.

Those seem like big reaches... can you justify?

I go to a T14 and tried to adjust our GPAs to what your range indicates.

Venable/Dickstein are huge DC firms that have historically hired around our median.
Kilpatrick is the result of the merger of an IP firm and a general firm, so they have a massive IP presence
Hollingsworth is litigation-centric and tends to hire fairly low on the curve
Cozen is in the DC/Balt area and just expanded its IP practice in a big way
Miles, Ballard, Saul, Shulman, and Semmes are regional Balt/DC firms that should take a GPA below that of Venable/Dickstein.

I should be paying you for this advice. Unfortunately, almost none of these firms are doing OCI at GWU. Venable is, at least.

[call saul]

i wish they would post PT spring grades. so i could compile a list.

[Anonymous User]

IP lit or prosecution? If lit, why not throw in an app to K&E DC, they take people from GW every year, though I'm not sure what the GPA cut off is.

[androstan]

IP lit or prosecution? If lit, why not throw in an app to K&E DC, they take people from GW every year, though I'm not sure what the GPA cut off is.

Either. I am not picky, I just want to be an attorney, preferably a patent attorney.

K&E seems too selective for me.