Loyola Patent Fair 2012 Forum

[Anonymous User]

7 interviews, 2 alts. About 15 bids used targeting certain markets. BSEE, T14, ~top 1/3, some non-science WE. Good luck everyone!

[Anonymous User]

I'm curious to hear how previous 3Ls did last year? Do you know how many 3Ls firms typically preselect? It is hard to guage because the firms I received preselects for list both 2Ls and 3Ls for spots. I imagine most of them are for 2Ls...

How many interviews did you have? How many turned into CBs/offers?

[Anonymous User]

MSEE with WE, MVP, didn't include GPA on resume (below 50%). 22 PS, 3 alternate.

[soccerfreak]

There are two markets in that I am looking in and they are Colorado and Florida.....both suck for biotech. Im willing to go into other markets. Can anyone recommend where I should be looking?

NY, DC, Boston, San Diego are probably the top 4.

St. Louis actually has a bunch of biotech as well, for a secondary market.

[fatduck]

MSEE with WE, MVP, didn't include GPA on resume (below 50%). 22 PS, 3 alternate.

nicely done, sir

[Anonymous User]

Those two questions may be dumb.

Anyone know how many people a firm will interview on one day or both days? What is the percentage of CB out of the total interviews?

[Anonymous User]

10 preselects, 1 alt. 25% at a T25, B.A. in Physics.

[Anonymous User]

8 preselects, 1 alt.

T14 slightly below median. BSME

[soccerfreak]

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[Anonymous User]

To current law students attending Loyola PLIP. Back when I did this (few years ago), I had 20+ pre-selects, received 4-5 callbacks, and got 0 offers through this program. I think, to be exact, I had 23 or 24 pre-selects - including Kirkland, Skadden, FR, Cooley, Pillsbury, Crowell, etc. I had MSEE and excellent law grades from top school.

The three offers I did eventually get were through SFIPLA and my school's OCI, not PLIP. I feel obligated to inject my singular anecdote here particularly targeting those people who are worried that they will go jobless if they strike out at PLIP. You won't. Just do the other fairs and your own school's OCI. I also speak to those with 20+ preselects; don't blow things off just because you end up with 20+ pre-selects. You could end up like me with 0 offers despite a two-page schedule at the Loyola fair. I got lucky because I hauled ass to San Francisco and did SFIPLA at UC Hastings' building, I believe. And then I got luckier at my school's OCI where there were firms who I didn't see at Loyola.

I'm not a below-average interviewer, I ended up getting 5 callbacks from SFIPLA and 6-7 more from my own school's OCI. So I ended up getting over a dozen callbacks, which turned into 3 offers after all fairs combined. So it couldn't have been bad interviewing skills.

I think the yield (pre-select->callback) at PLIP was across the board lower when compared to SFIPLA or my own school's OCI. Maybe I had a horrendous day at PLIP. I don't know. I don't think so. Although, it was my first time ever doing a law-related interview aside from the handful of firms I interviewed with my 1L year. I serously doubt my interviewing skills got better at SFIPLA or my own school's OCI though. And another disclosure, I made the mistake of going to 3 kirkland interviews. They all knew I was interviewing with other offices and I just told them I wanted a job at Kirkland period. That's a terrible way to do this. And I was dumb to do it. But that still leaves me with 20+ unique firm preselects and an egg in terms of offers.


So, watch out.

[Anonymous User]

To current law students attending Loyola PLIP.
So, watch out.

I also know guys who got multiple offers on fewer preselects one of which had a finance degree, so it's hit or miss, like anything else.

[Anonymous User]

To current law students attending Loyola PLIP.
So, watch out.

I also know guys who got multiple offers on fewer preselects one of which had a finance degree, so it's hit or miss, like anything else.

20+ with 0 offer guy here. Yes. I agree with this. Although, a lot of people with fewer than 6 pre-selects were picked up by lesser firms, where the yield might be better. Also, yield seems better for prosecution than litigation.

Point is - never stop hustling till you get AN offer. There were rumblings during my year that some firms showed up with no intent to extend anyone an offer or a callback, and just showed up to show up (i.e. marketing). I don't know why a firm would blow billables for two associates or partners for this purpose, but whatever.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone who has a current 1L SA, what are you saying to your firm about going? Telling them directly that you're doing PLIP? My SA will still be going during the fair, and for a long time after, so I won't know by then if I'll be invited to come back for 2L summer or not. I'm sure they'll understand I have to cover my bases but it still makes me nervous to say I need time off to interview with competing firms.

[Anonymous User]

To current law students attending Loyola PLIP. Back when I did this (few years ago), I had 20+ pre-selects, received 4-5 callbacks, and got 0 offers through this program. I think, to be exact, I had 23 or 24 pre-selects - including Kirkland, Skadden, FR, Cooley, Pillsbury, Crowell, etc. I had MSEE and excellent law grades from top school.

The three offers I did eventually get were through SFIPLA and my school's OCI, not PLIP. I feel obligated to inject my singular anecdote here particularly targeting those people who are worried that they will go jobless if they strike out at PLIP. You won't. Just do the other fairs and your own school's OCI. I also speak to those with 20+ preselects; don't blow things off just because you end up with 20+ pre-selects. You could end up like me with 0 offers despite a two-page schedule at the Loyola fair. I got lucky because I hauled ass to San Francisco and did SFIPLA at UC Hastings' building, I believe. And then I got luckier at my school's OCI where there were firms who I didn't see at Loyola.

I'm not a below-average interviewer, I ended up getting 5 callbacks from SFIPLA and 6-7 more from my own school's OCI. So I ended up getting over a dozen callbacks, which turned into 3 offers after all fairs combined. So it couldn't have been bad interviewing skills.

I think the yield (pre-select->callback) at PLIP was across the board lower when compared to SFIPLA or my own school's OCI. Maybe I had a horrendous day at PLIP. I don't know. I don't think so. Although, it was my first time ever doing a law-related interview aside from the handful of firms I interviewed with my 1L year. I serously doubt my interviewing skills got better at SFIPLA or my own school's OCI though. And another disclosure, I made the mistake of going to 3 kirkland interviews. They all knew I was interviewing with other offices and I just told them I wanted a job at Kirkland period. That's a terrible way to do this. And I was dumb to do it. But that still leaves me with 20+ unique firm preselects and an egg in terms of offers.


So, watch out.

This makes me feel better. I only got 1 alt as a rising 3L, and I was getting depressed about having no future. But then I struck out at BADCF, SFIPLA and OCI last year, so I think I need to find something through other ways. I'm still attempting SFIPLA and OCI this year, but I don't have high hopes.

I'm T50, IP activities in school, no GPA listed, bioe, IP summer internships, with reg number looking to go into prosecuting medical devices. I've been talking to practitioners, but it feels like a wild goose chase where they refer me to another attorney to talk to, ad infinitum. I'm on my 6th or 7th degree of referral now, and none so far knew anyone who had an opening. They were happy to speak with me and insisted on buying me lunch, though.

Other alternatives I'm considering after graduation are working at the PTO or getting a master's in EE, neither of which I particularly WANT to do (PTO across the country, master's putting me in more debt).

[Anonymous User]

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This makes me feel better. I only got 1 alt as a rising 3L, and I was getting depressed about having no future. But then I struck out at BADCF, SFIPLA and OCI last year, so I think I need to find something through other ways. I'm still attempting SFIPLA and OCI this year, but I don't have high hopes.

I'm T50, IP activities in school, no GPA listed, bioe, IP summer internships, with reg number looking to go into prosecuting medical devices. I've been talking to practitioners, but it feels like a wild goose chase where they refer me to another attorney to talk to, ad infinitum. I'm on my 6th or 7th degree of referral now, and none so far knew anyone who had an opening. They were happy to speak with me and insisted on buying me lunch, though.

Other alternatives I'm considering after graduation are working at the PTO or getting a master's in EE, neither of which I particularly WANT to do (PTO across the country, master's putting me in more debt).[/quote]

I think we may be the same person on the opposite side of the country. I am 3L, T50, median, tons of IP activities, IP internships, BS Bio...

Also had just 1 alternate selection

Also looking into PTO after graduation or possibly some other science/legal career... Best of luck to you as I feel your pain!

[Anonymous User]

This makes me feel better. I only got 1 alt as a rising 3L, and I was getting depressed about having no future. But then I struck out at BADCF, SFIPLA and OCI last year, so I think I need to find something through other ways. I'm still attempting SFIPLA and OCI this year, but I don't have high hopes.

I'm T50, IP activities in school, no GPA listed, bioe, IP summer internships, with reg number looking to go into prosecuting medical devices. I've been talking to practitioners, but it feels like a wild goose chase where they refer me to another attorney to talk to, ad infinitum. I'm on my 6th or 7th degree of referral now, and none so far knew anyone who had an opening. They were happy to speak with me and insisted on buying me lunch, though.

Other alternatives I'm considering after graduation are working at the PTO or getting a master's in EE, neither of which I particularly WANT to do (PTO across the country, master's putting me in more debt).

I think we may be the same person on the opposite side of the country. I am 3L, T50, median, tons of IP activities, IP internships, BS Bio...

Also had just 1 alternate selection

Also looking into PTO after graduation or possibly some other science/legal career... Best of luck to you as I feel your pain!

Good luck to you too! Are you pure biology? What options in science/legal did you have in mind?

[Anonymous User]

There were rumblings during my year that some firms showed up with no intent to extend anyone an offer or a callback, and just showed up to show up (i.e. marketing). I don't know why a firm would blow billables for two associates or partners for this purpose, but whatever.

Even if they are looking to hire, they are intervening a minimum of 16 people (32 if two days) for what is often 1 or 2 spots in an SA class. Even if they have to make 3 offers to get 1 acceptance. That means they are only calling back 5-6 people. 5-6 out of 18 people who were already preselected for grades? Your interviews really matter.

Accidentally hit anon this is Desert Fox.

[Anonymous User]

How do you know they are only hiring for 1-2 positions in their SAs? Isn't that almost all the IP people in ALL law schools attend this job fair? If they don't hire the majority of their IP SAs here, where else do they go? I would assume that, at least for those IP specific firms, they are hiring more than that number.

There were rumblings during my year that some firms showed up with no intent to extend anyone an offer or a callback, and just showed up to show up (i.e. marketing). I don't know why a firm would blow billables for two associates or partners for this purpose, but whatever.

Even if they are looking to hire, they are intervening a minimum of 16 people (32 if two days) for what is often 1 or 2 spots in an SA class. Even if they have to make 3 offers to get 1 acceptance. That means they are only calling back 5-6 people. 5-6 out of 18 people who were already preselected for grades? Your interviews really matter.

Accidentally hit anon this is Desert Fox.

[r6_philly]

How do you know they are only hiring for 1-2 positions in their SAs? Isn't that almost all the IP people in ALL law schools attend this job fair? If they don't hire the majority of their IP SAs here, where else do they go? I would assume that, at least for those IP specific firms, they are hiring more than that number.

Many offices have only a few SA spots because large firms will only allocate a few spots to their IP groups and boutiques only have a few spots to begin with.

[Anonymous User]

Bio PhD, MVP, median at the time of bidding (Now .1 below), non-native speaker. 7 PS, 5 alternate [2 (1), 1 (2), 1 (4, this is Covington DC, the chance of being bumped up is slim), 2 unspecified].

Didn't get preselect from some major IP shops (e.g. Finnegan, Fish). Didn't get selected by Kilpatrick specifying Chemistry/Biology, which is puzzling.

A little disappointed. The grades could be a factor, haven't passed the patent bar could be a factor, the lower demand of bio people comparing to EE/CS might've also contributed.

Bio people out there, I hope you guys are doing better than me.

Congratulations! No better than you here. I am 3L (MS in Biochemistry) and got 2 preselect. I was pleasantly surprise since there were so few firms to bid on. The market definitely does not seem to be as good for Bio people

I only have a masters in bio, but was pleasantly surprised with 13 preselects. I also heard from multiple sources that bio isn't very hot, and in any case firms wouldn't look at you unless you had a phd, so I'm not sure how seriously the firms will consider me. Haven't passed the patent bar, some IP related activities. 2L, median at T14.

[Anonymous User]

Bio PhD, MVP, median at the time of bidding (Now .1 below), non-native speaker. 7 PS, 5 alternate [2 (1), 1 (2), 1 (4, this is Covington DC, the chance of being bumped up is slim), 2 unspecified].

Didn't get preselect from some major IP shops (e.g. Finnegan, Fish). Didn't get selected by Kilpatrick specifying Chemistry/Biology, which is puzzling.

A little disappointed. The grades could be a factor, haven't passed the patent bar could be a factor, the lower demand of bio people comparing to EE/CS might've also contributed.

Bio people out there, I hope you guys are doing better than me.

Congratulations! No better than you here. I am 3L (MS in Biochemistry) and got 2 preselect. I was pleasantly surprise since there were so few firms to bid on. The market definitely does not seem to be as good for Bio people

I only have a masters in bio, but was pleasantly surprised with 13 preselects. I also heard from multiple sources that bio isn't very hot, and in any case firms wouldn't look at you unless you had a phd, so I'm not sure how seriously the firms will consider me. Haven't passed the patent bar, some IP related activities. 2L, median at T14.

I am the anon quoted originally. Congratulations, that is really awesome!

[Anonymous User]

Not to be insensitive to others... but for those with 20+ interviews, how many realistically are you planning on doing? I'm assuming that after so many interviews in a row I just wouldn't be effective, and would need to limit it to a smaller number. Thoughts?

[Anonymous User]

Not to be insensitive to others... but for those with 20+ interviews, how many realistically are you planning on doing? I'm assuming that after so many interviews in a row I just wouldn't be effective, and would need to limit it to a smaller number. Thoughts?

don't worry dude, you'll need all 20+ to have a realistic shot at a job offer out of the notoriously low-yielding patent fair.

the problem you seem to think you have is not a problem you do have.

[fatduck]

Not to be insensitive to others... but for those with 20+ interviews, how many realistically are you planning on doing? I'm assuming that after so many interviews in a row I just wouldn't be effective, and would need to limit it to a smaller number. Thoughts?

don't worry dude, you'll need all 20+ to have a realistic shot at a job offer out of the notoriously low-yielding patent fair.

the problem you seem to think you have is not a problem you do have.

i'm not quite as negative nancy as mr. "i had 25 interviews and struck out! PLIP is impossible!" but i just can't justify cutting your own interviews ITE. if you want biglaw, you MUST get it this summer. even working for a firm you don't like, in a location you don't really want, is better than having nothing. at least you can get paid, get an offer, and have a chance at trading up for something better.

[Anonymous User]

do we expect all changes of alt status this friday? has anyone have any changes to their alts the last two days?