Top 50 go-to law schools 2012 Forum

[col.faith]

Hiring was up about 25% for C/O 2012 relative to C/O 2011, which was indeed the absolute trough. I expect the 2012 numbers will look much like the 2009 numbers.

Comforting to hear

[071816]

Edit: everyone got pwned.

Except USC

Yea I was surprised we did that much better percentage-wise than UCLA. I guess our small class size and alumni network paid off a bit. I was expecting much worse.

[coldshoulder]

What I find interesting is that in certain secondary markets (for example, Salt Lake City) employment is pretty good, but the lawl schools place very few candidates into NLJ250 jobs (coming from LST). I'd rather have a median private sector job in Utah (80k) than need to be top 10%-20% at most other T50 schools to try to get biglaw in a major market.

[Blindmelon]

Damn UIUC and Emory got rockedddd.

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[MrAnon]

everyone seems real quick to say this year is better than last year. newsflash: people have been saying that each of the last 3 years. this list is the end result. Its like the "it won't happen to me" phenomenon extended into eternity.

[071816]

newsflash: MrAnon is always mad.

[IAFG]

everyone seems real quick to say this year is better than last year. newsflash: people have been saying that each of the last 3 years. this list is the end result. Its like the "it won't happen to me" phenomenon extended into eternity.

2011 was the absolute worst. the 3Ls I know did well, the 2Ls did great.

[09042014]

Damn UIUC and Emory got rockedddd.

Chi and ATL; coincidence?

Should put to bed the idea that NW is regional. Even when Chicago got fucking rocked NU still cleaned up.

I hope people should learn though, that these numbers include a large random component. Cornell sucked in 09, rocked it in 10, then sucked again in 11. So anyone uses this one data point to prove that once is IS TOTALLY BETTER than another can suck a dick.

[IAFG]

Damn UIUC and Emory got rockedddd.

Chi and ATL; coincidence?

Should put to bed the idea that NW is regional. Even when Chicago got fucking rocked NU still cleaned up.

I hope people should learn though, that these numbers include a large random component. Cornell sucked in 09, rocked it in 10, then sucked again in 11. So anyone uses this one data point to prove that once is IS TOTALLY BETTER than another can suck a dick.

MVPBDCN are peer schools. Top 10%, top 25%, top half, top 1/3, at all these schools, have essentially identical abilities to get themselves into good jobs.

[mrloblaw]

I don't really know anyone from that class. What were the ultimate effects of those numbers? Are Michigan median kids from '09 working at Starbucks now?

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[Sandro]

As if I needed any more motivation to finish my brief for the next 48+ hours.... printing this out and sticking it on the wall.

[pattonthicke]

UGA isnt even on the list. Does this mean they did like 3%? Holy Cow!!!

[beachbum]

So 150 schools were placing less than 6.49% into the NLJ. Yikes.

[traehekat]

I don't really know anyone from that class. What were the ultimate effects of those numbers? Are Michigan median kids from '09 working at Starbucks now?

I almost don't even want to know.

[Anonymous User]

Had a chance to meet with associates and partners at five Chicago biglaw firms recently. The general consensus was that the worst is over and recovery is now in progress. One partner described last year as "everyone looking over their shoulder", but given the results of the last two years, he expected hiring to continue to pick up. However, things will never go back to pre-2008 levels. They learned their lesson.

[JusticeHarlan]

Interesting. Brutal numbers all around, but not unexpected.

For those curious (and who don't have it all bookmarked already), here's c/o 2010 and 2009 data for comparison sake. Again, still somewhat unhelpful at the top end without A3 data (2009 is the most recent? Shouldn't 2010 be somewhere, at least?), but interesting nonetheless.

[ahnhub]

The overall numbers were actually better than I thought they'd be--Penn somehow put more people into Biglaw than the previous year, which like whoah. I am mentally shaking my fist at Michigan, because bad bidding strategy or whatever aside peer schools should be peer and Penn and NU shouldn't have almost 80% more people finding success in any year.

I am having trouble reconciling these numbers with the OCI data that was floating around from a year ago. I think multiple people posted that Chicago, Columbia and NYU all had a smidge less than 70% success rates for OCI participants. Later on Chicago and NYU actually released how many people did 2L jobs at law firms--it was 69% for Chicago and 55% for NYU.

So I'm wondering how 70% success at NYU ---> 55% doing a summer SA
and also how 69% summer SA at Chicago ---> 45% actually landing at a big law firm.

[JusticeHarlan]

I am having trouble reconciling these numbers with the OCI data that was floating around from a year ago. I think multiple people posted that Chicago, Columbia and NYU all had a smidge less than 70% success rates for OCI participants. Later on Chicago and NYU actually released how many people did 2L jobs at law firms--it was 69% for Chicago and 55% for NYU.

Arg, this is why 0Ls aren't supposed to post in here.

Class of 2011 did OCI in 2009. What you were reading about "a year ago" was OCI for the current 3Ls, class of 2012.

[ahnhub]

I am having trouble reconciling these numbers with the OCI data that was floating around from a year ago. I think multiple people posted that Chicago, Columbia and NYU all had a smidge less than 70% success rates for OCI participants. Later on Chicago and NYU actually released how many people did 2L jobs at law firms--it was 69% for Chicago and 55% for NYU.

Arg, this is why 0Ls aren't supposed to post in here.

Class of 2011 did OCI in 2009. What you were reading about "a year ago" was OCI for the current 3Ls, class of 2012.

Since I am an 0L, I will shut up.

But-- No, it wasn't about 3L OCI: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=117113

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[traehekat]

I am having trouble reconciling these numbers with the OCI data that was floating around from a year ago. I think multiple people posted that Chicago, Columbia and NYU all had a smidge less than 70% success rates for OCI participants. Later on Chicago and NYU actually released how many people did 2L jobs at law firms--it was 69% for Chicago and 55% for NYU.

Arg, this is why 0Ls aren't supposed to post in here.

Class of 2011 did OCI in 2009. What you were reading about "a year ago" was OCI for the current 3Ls, class of 2012.

Since I am an 0L, I will shut up.

But-- No, it wasn't about 3L OCI: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=117113

if you read through the replies, you would find this explanation:

Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%

It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.

It's actually a bloodbath. This isn't 67% of the class in biglaw jobs, it's 67% of the EIW participants. This means that anyone who knew they didn't want biglaw, because they wanted PI, gov't, etc., isn't counted. In the past, well over 90% of EIW participants got offers, and many got multiple offers.

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