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Employment rules violations
If you have a hypothetical 1L friend who has submitted resumes to firms and is talking to them about jobs before the any of the deadlines (Dec 1), does the ABA/school/NALP/anyone really have the power to stop him?
I mean if the ABA is slapping schools on the wrist for falsifying LSAT data... and making them... CORRECT THEM... what are they going to do to enforce the 'no contacting employers until this deadline' rule?
I mean if the ABA is slapping schools on the wrist for falsifying LSAT data... and making them... CORRECT THEM... what are they going to do to enforce the 'no contacting employers until this deadline' rule?
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Re: Employment rules violations
No. Some schools threaten to shut you out of OCI if you don't play by the rules, but I don't actually think they would follow through.
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Re: Employment rules violations
Anonymous User wrote:If you have a hypothetical 1L friend who has submitted resumes to firms and is talking to them about jobs before the any of the deadlines (Dec 1), does the ABA/school/NALP/anyone really have the power to stop him?
I mean if the ABA is slapping schools on the wrist for falsifying LSAT data... and making them... CORRECT THEM... what are they going to do to enforce the 'no contacting employers until this deadline' rule?
D. Summer Employment Provisions for First Year Students
Law schools should not offer career services to first-semester first year law students prior to November 1 except in the case of part-time students who may be given assistance in seeking positions during the school term.
Prospective employers and first year law students should not initiate contact with one another and employers should not interview or make offers to first year students before December 1.
All offers to first year students for summer employment should remain open for at least two weeks after the date made.
I think the 12/1 rule applies to the NALP firms.
If that firm does not bind itself by the NALP rules, your friend is fine.
Most of the biglaws do bind themselves by the NALP rules, though.
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Re: Employment rules violations
NALP is entirely voluntary.
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Re: Employment rules violations
So I guess:
1) NALP compliance is voluntary. If the firm/friend decides to violate it, then fine. It is not like NALP will de-list them.
2) School can threaten OCI-lock out. Though if a candidate is really good enough to attract firms' interests as a 1L, I don't see why schools would actually enforce this OCI bar possibly resulting in decreased employment statistics.
1) NALP compliance is voluntary. If the firm/friend decides to violate it, then fine. It is not like NALP will de-list them.
2) School can threaten OCI-lock out. Though if a candidate is really good enough to attract firms' interests as a 1L, I don't see why schools would actually enforce this OCI bar possibly resulting in decreased employment statistics.
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Re: Employment rules violations
If the school does an OCI lockout, he could just apply to the firms individually and tell the little tinpot despots in Career Services to fuck off.
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Re: Employment rules violations
True. But this would be a terrible idea.kalvano wrote:If the school does an OCI lockout, he could just apply to the firms individually and tell the little tinpot despots in Career Services to fuck off.
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Re: Employment rules violations
the better question is, why? firms aren't hiring pre- 12/1, if you have some connection it can wait, PI doesn't hire until Jan or Feb... your "friend" won't be gaining much by risking OCS blacklisting/bad feelings.
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Re: Employment rules violations
How? The firms definitely don't care.Renzo wrote:True. But this would be a terrible idea.kalvano wrote:If the school does an OCI lockout, he could just apply to the firms individually and tell the little tinpot despots in Career Services to fuck off.
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lolAnonymous User wrote:How? The firms definitely don't care.Renzo wrote:True. But this would be a terrible idea.kalvano wrote:If the school does an OCI lockout, he could just apply to the firms individually and tell the little tinpot despots in Career Services to fuck off.
giving up your school's interview week, with a handout of 10-30 interviews, is nbd? just mass mail bro?
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What's the point? No firm really cares about you until they see your first semester grades. Networking is well and good, but I can't think of many (if any) people I know who got 1L SAs that had crap grades. So, go to those cocktail events or whatever that firms have at school and I suppose you can network if you want, but focus more on studying and getting your grades in order. The SA offers will come if your transcript looks reasonable. And I say this as someone who got a 1L SA two years ago after not applying anywhere until early to mid-January.Anonymous User wrote:If you have a hypothetical 1L friend who has submitted resumes to firms and is talking to them about jobs before the any of the deadlines (Dec 1), does the ABA/school/NALP/anyone really have the power to stop him?
I mean if the ABA is slapping schools on the wrist for falsifying LSAT data... and making them... CORRECT THEM... what are they going to do to enforce the 'no contacting employers until this deadline' rule?
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Exactly--they don't care. It's no big deal for them to throw away one more mass-mailed resume.Anonymous User wrote:How? The firms definitely don't care.Renzo wrote:True. But this would be a terrible idea.kalvano wrote:If the school does an OCI lockout, he could just apply to the firms individually and tell the little tinpot despots in Career Services to fuck off.
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