NYU EIW Callback Nonsense (Consolidated) Forum

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

May I ask the initials of your Skadden interviewer?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day. I suspect they filled it up with non-NYU students.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

Initials please?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

May I ask the initials of your Skadden interviewer?

SG and JJ

[Anonymous User]

To recap (with my burning questions in red):
1. Wachtell — Screening later.
2. Cravath — CBs and dings reported.
3. Sullivan — Screening later.
4. Skadden — few CBs reported, including from SG. Many still waiting to hear.
5. Davis — Several CBs reported. Any dings received???
6. Simpson — Several CBs reported.
7. Weil — No CBs reported.
8. Cleary — Screening later.
9. Kirkland — A few CBs reported. Any dings received???
10. Covington — Screening later.
11. Latham — Screening Tuesday.
12. Debevoise — CBs and dings reported.
13. Paul, Weiss — Screening later.
13. Williams — Not screening.
14. Gibson — Screening later.
15. Sidley — CBs reported as late as Friday.
16. Quinn — CBs reported, including from KC/PC and JP/BG. Some dinner invitees haven't heard, so it's likely that they're still calling.
17. Boies — CBs reported, including from MH. Any other initials out there??? Any dings?
18. White — CBs and dings reported.
19. Jones — CBs and dings reported.
20. Arnold — CB reported from JN.
21. WilmerHale — CBs reported from SS (NY) and JP (DC), and some dings reported.
22. O'Melveny — Nothing reported?
23. Morrison — One CB reported.
24. Shearman — CBs reported.
25. Ropes — Screening later.

I can also see from the forum or report from my own CBs that the following have made some calls: Cahill, Schulte, K&L Gates, Mayer Brown, clifford chance, Fried Frank, Kasowitz, Orrick, Pillsbury, dla piper, Linklaters, Kaye Scholer, Winston, Willkie, Goodwin Procter. And Patterson Belknap might take a while.

[Anonymous User]

I also know people with Patton Boggs Newark and Wiley Rein DC.

[Anonymous User]

Does NYU keep track of CB/offer ratios? I know CLS does. I ask only because it might help with scheduling.

What I gleaned from the CLS board was that S&C has nearly 100% offer rate on callbacks, and most other firms are on the order of 50%. But I'd love love love more stats on NYU's experience.

Since I'm looking for a litigation position, I feel like I have to impress/satisfy at least one or two lit partners to get an offer. So, if I got my callback by screening with a lit partner, I feel like I have some real points on the board and my offer rate should be fairly good. But if I got my callback by screening with a corp associate, I feel like my screener might just be passing me along to let the partners have a look, so my offer rate might be lower.

[Anonymous User]

Does NYU keep track of CB/offer ratios? I know CLS does. I ask only because it might help with scheduling.

What I gleaned from the CLS board was that S&C has nearly 100% offer rate on callbacks, and most other firms are on the order of 50%. But I'd love love love more stats on NYU's experience.

Since I'm looking for a litigation position, I feel like I have to impress/satisfy at least one or two lit partners to get an offer. So, if I got my callback by screening with a lit partner, I feel like I have some real points on the board and my offer rate should be fairly good. But if I got my callback by screening with a corp associate, I feel like my screener might just be passing me along to let the partners have a look, so my offer rate might be lower.

Reading way too much into it. Other than Cravath, no one is assuming you'll stick with litigation after the summer anyway. You should be focusing on emphasizing generalizable qualities, like collaborative ability and innovation, not trying to impress lit partners. I'm mostly focused on transactional work, but I think some of my best interviews have been with litigation partners and associates, and, without being more specific, I will say that I have a very strong callback:screener ratio so far.

[Anonymous User]

Does NYU keep track of CB/offer ratios? I know CLS does. I ask only because it might help with scheduling.

What I gleaned from the CLS board was that S&C has nearly 100% offer rate on callbacks, and most other firms are on the order of 50%. But I'd love love love more stats on NYU's experience.

Since I'm looking for a litigation position, I feel like I have to impress/satisfy at least one or two lit partners to get an offer. So, if I got my callback by screening with a lit partner, I feel like I have some real points on the board and my offer rate should be fairly good. But if I got my callback by screening with a corp associate, I feel like my screener might just be passing me along to let the partners have a look, so my offer rate might be lower.

For the CBs I've gone on/scheduled, each firm asked for my practice area interests. I expect that they try to assign interviewers accordingly. So there's a good chance you'll luck out at the CB stage.

[Anonymous User]

To recap (with my burning questions in red):
1. Wachtell — Screening later.
2. Cravath — CBs and dings reported.
3. Sullivan — Screening later.
4. Skadden — few CBs reported, including from SG. Many still waiting to hear.
5. Davis — Several CBs reported. Any dings received???
6. Simpson — Several CBs reported.
7. Weil — No CBs reported.
8. Cleary — Screening later.
9. Kirkland — A few CBs reported. Any dings received???
10. Covington — Screening later.
11. Latham — Screening Tuesday.
12. Debevoise — CBs and dings reported.
13. Paul, Weiss — Screening later.
13. Williams — Not screening.
14. Gibson — Screening later.
15. Sidley — CBs reported as late as Friday.
16. Quinn — CBs reported, including from KC/PC and JP/BG. Some dinner invitees haven't heard, so it's likely that they're still calling.
17. Boies — CBs reported, including from MH. Any other initials out there??? Any dings?
18. White — CBs and dings reported.
19. Jones — CBs and dings reported.
20. Arnold — CB reported from JN.
21. WilmerHale — CBs reported from SS (NY) and JP (DC), and some dings reported.
22. O'Melveny — Nothing reported?
23. Morrison — One CB reported.
24. Shearman — CBs reported.
25. Ropes — Screening later.

I can also see from the forum or report from my own CBs that the following have made some calls: Cahill, Schulte, K&L Gates, Mayer Brown, Clifford Chance, Fried Frank, Kasowitz, Orrick, Pillsbury, DLA Piper, Linklaters, Kaye Scholer, Winston, Willkie, Goodwin Procter. And Patterson Belknap might take a while.

I have a callback from Weil.

[Anonymous User]

Does NYU keep track of CB/offer ratios? I know CLS does. I ask only because it might help with scheduling.

What I gleaned from the CLS board was that S&C has nearly 100% offer rate on callbacks, and most other firms are on the order of 50%. But I'd love love love more stats on NYU's experience.

Since I'm looking for a litigation position, I feel like I have to impress/satisfy at least one or two lit partners to get an offer. So, if I got my callback by screening with a lit partner, I feel like I have some real points on the board and my offer rate should be fairly good. But if I got my callback by screening with a corp associate, I feel like my screener might just be passing me along to let the partners have a look, so my offer rate might be lower.

Reading way too much into it. Other than Cravath, no one is assuming you'll stick with litigation after the summer anyway. You should be focusing on emphasizing generalizable qualities, like collaborative ability and innovation, not trying to impress lit partners. I'm mostly focused on transactional work, but I think some of my best interviews have been with litigation partners and associates, and, without being more specific, I will say that I have a very strong callback:screener ratio so far.

Fine, I take your point about how the lit/corp divide might not be so stark, given how many people switch from lit to corp.

But either you mis-read or I mis-expressed my central point. I'm not saying anything about the callback:screener ratio at all; I'm talking about the offer:callback ratio after a CB is received. In fact, I'm just as confident doing a screener with lit as with corp and just as confident doing a screener with a partner as with an associate, precisely because I can discuss general qualities, experiences, etc. that every interviewer loves to hear about. And I'm quite happy with the CB:screener ratio I've had from corp, lit, and niche people.

So let me try again. I start from the premise that, in order to turn a callback into an offer, I need something like 1–3 partners to be on my side. I don't know exactly how many, or with what amount of passion they have to like me, but the key word here is "partner". No partners, no offer. So if one partner has seen me at a screener and likes me enough to give me a callback, that's a meaningful thing, because the screening partner is likely to become one of those 1–3 partners I need for an offer. But if an associate gives me a CB, I'm still starting from close to zero when I go in for my callback.

If the data were available, I'd be willing to put money on the hypothesis that firms that use partners for screening have a somewhat higher offer:callback ratio than firms that use associates, particularly for someone like me who might be approved by a screening associate largely because I look very good on paper. Not a huge difference, maybe 55% instead of 45%.

[Anonymous User]

Does NYU keep track of CB/offer ratios? I know CLS does. I ask only because it might help with scheduling.

What I gleaned from the CLS board was that S&C has nearly 100% offer rate on callbacks, and most other firms are on the order of 50%. But I'd love love love more stats on NYU's experience.

Since I'm looking for a litigation position, I feel like I have to impress/satisfy at least one or two lit partners to get an offer. So, if I got my callback by screening with a lit partner, I feel like I have some real points on the board and my offer rate should be fairly good. But if I got my callback by screening with a corp associate, I feel like my screener might just be passing me along to let the partners have a look, so my offer rate might be lower.

Reading way too much into it. Other than Cravath, no one is assuming you'll stick with litigation after the summer anyway. You should be focusing on emphasizing generalizable qualities, like collaborative ability and innovation, not trying to impress lit partners. I'm mostly focused on transactional work, but I think some of my best interviews have been with litigation partners and associates, and, without being more specific, I will say that I have a very strong callback:screener ratio so far.

Fine, I take your point about how the lit/corp divide might not be so stark, given how many people switch from lit to corp.

But either you mis-read or I mis-expressed my central point. I'm not saying anything about the callback:screener ratio at all; I'm talking about the offer:callback ratio after a CB is received. In fact, I'm just as confident doing a screener with lit as with corp and just as confident doing a screener with a partner as with an associate, precisely because I can discuss general qualities, experiences, etc. that every interviewer loves to hear about. And I'm quite happy with the CB:screener ratio I've had from corp, lit, and niche people.

So let me try again. I start from the premise that, in order to turn a callback into an offer, I need something like 1–3 partners to be on my side. I don't know exactly how many, or with what amount of passion they have to like me, but the key word here is "partner". No partners, no offer. So if one partner has seen me at a screener and likes me enough to give me a callback, that's a meaningful thing, because the screening partner is likely to become one of those 1–3 partners I need for an offer. But if an associate gives me a CB, I'm still starting from close to zero when I go in for my callback.

If the data were available, I'd be willing to put money on the hypothesis that firms that use partners for screening have a somewhat higher offer:callback ratio than firms that use associates, particularly for someone like me who might be approved by a screening associate largely because I look very good on paper. Not a huge difference, maybe 55% instead of 45%.

Almost no one uses associates for screening (and those associates they do use are usually 7th years or 8th years who have all but made partner).

And you're still reading too much into the difference between partners and associates. In order to get an offer, people have to like you. Doesn't matter if they are partners or associates. One associate who dislikes you and writes a negative assessment will sink you, no matter how much the partners like you. There is no "number of partners you need to convince". In fact, coming across like you only care about the partners, or are just trying to rack up a certain number of "wins" will hurt you, and it makes you sound like a douche as well.

[Anonymous User]

To recap (with my burning questions in red):
1. Wachtell — Screening later.
2. Cravath — CBs and dings reported.
3. Sullivan — Screening later.
4. Skadden — few CBs reported, including from SG. Many still waiting to hear.
5. Davis — Several CBs reported. Any dings received???
6. Simpson — Several CBs reported.
7. Weil — No CBs reported.
8. Cleary — Screening later.
9. Kirkland — A few CBs reported. Any dings received???
10. Covington — Screening later.
11. Latham — Screening Tuesday.
12. Debevoise — CBs and dings reported.
13. Paul, Weiss — Screening later.
13. Williams — Not screening.
14. Gibson — Screening later.
15. Sidley — CBs reported as late as Friday.
16. Quinn — CBs reported, including from KC/PC and JP/BG. Some dinner invitees haven't heard, so it's likely that they're still calling.
17. Boies — CBs reported, including from MH. Any other initials out there??? Any dings?
18. White — CBs and dings reported.
19. Jones — CBs and dings reported.
20. Arnold — CB reported from JN.
21. WilmerHale — CBs reported from SS (NY) and JP (DC), and some dings reported.
22. O'Melveny — Nothing reported?
23. Morrison — One CB reported.
24. Shearman — CBs reported.
25. Ropes — Screening later.

I can also see from the forum or report from my own CBs that the following have made some calls: Cahill, Schulte, K&L Gates, Mayer Brown, Clifford Chance, Fried Frank, Kasowitz, Orrick, Pillsbury, DLA Piper, Linklaters, Kaye Scholer, Winston, Willkie, Goodwin Procter. And Patterson Belknap might take a while.

I have a callback from Weil.

When did it come/what initials?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day. I suspect they filled it up with non-NYU students.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

How do we schedule our Skadden callbacks? I have one as well, but only got the email regarding the receptions on the 22nd and 25th after my interviewer called.

[Anonymous User]

So let me try again. I start from the premise that, in order to turn a callback into an offer, I need something like 1–3 partners to be on my side. I don't know exactly how many, or with what amount of passion they have to like me, but the key word here is "partner". No partners, no offer. So if one partner has seen me at a screener and likes me enough to give me a callback, that's a meaningful thing, because the screening partner is likely to become one of those 1–3 partners I need for an offer. But if an associate gives me a CB, I'm still starting from close to zero when I go in for my callback.

You may or may not be correct about this, but the mode of thinking is counterproductive. Do your homework, go to your callbacks, and charm the hell out of everyone you meet. Don't start trying to game the system by focusing your energy on the biggest fish you speak with. Don't even think about it. The whole thing is an interview and you want to be on your game from start to finish. More importantly, you do not work in these offices and you don't know whose opinion matters.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day. I suspect they filled it up with non-NYU students.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

How do we schedule our Skadden callbacks? I have one as well, but only got the email regarding the receptions on the 22nd and 25th after my interviewer called.

Initials? This Skadden news is making me think I missed the CB.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day. I suspect they filled it up with non-NYU students.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

How do we schedule our Skadden callbacks? I have one as well, but only got the email regarding the receptions on the 22nd and 25th after my interviewer called.

Initials? This Skadden news is making me think I missed the CB.

CS.

But seriously, how do we schedule these?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, that seems to be common. I think we're getting a little screwed by having a relatively late OCI (even though we're only a few days later than other schools). The vast majority of firms filled their August callback schedules before we even started getting callbacks. I only managed to get three callbacks scheduled in August (STB, DPW and MoFo), while some, like Kirkland, didn't have any available slots until the third week of September! Also, Skadden's online system allows you to select times that are not actually available, and then you have to call them back up and reschedule--not fun. Given that August 26th is supposed to be a designated NYU callback day for them, and I tried to schedule within minutes of getting a callback, it is really absurd that they had no spots left on that day. I suspect they filled it up with non-NYU students.

OCS should next year try to convince firms to hold open some callback spots for NYU students so that we don't end up doing most of our callbacks late. I do think Harvard and Yale insisting that callbacks finish early has guaranteed that we'll be doing callbacks very late in the season and may have weaker callback-to-offer ratios as a result. I'm considering bringing this up with OCS on Monday if I have a chance.

On Skadden, I think I'm the only one who has reported a callback from NYU so far, so it may be that only one interviewer did calls on Friday.

How do we schedule our Skadden callbacks? I have one as well, but only got the email regarding the receptions on the 22nd and 25th after my interviewer called.

They sent me an email with a link to a website on which you request callback dates. That came before the email about the receptions (but after the initial call), so I would think you should have gotten it as well. The website requires a password that should be in the email with the link. If you didn't get that email, just try calling them on Monday. I kind of get the impression that they don't have the kinks worked out of their online system yet anyway.

Of course, all of the dates I requested were already filled, and I can't change my requests online, so I have to call them on Monday.

[Anonymous User]

Stroock CB

[Anonymous User]

Stroock CB

Initials? When/how?

My Stroock interviewer strongly implied I was getting a CB and I haven't heard anything yet... When I say "implied", I mean they started talking to me about what the callback would be like at the firm and that they'd try to meet up with me again at it.

[Anonymous User]

Stroock CB

Initials? When/how?

My Stroock interviewer strongly implied I was getting a CB and I haven't heard anything yet... When I say "implied", I mean they started talking to me about what the callback would be like at the firm and that they'd try to meet up with me again at it.

AK, by email. Honestly, I was surprised. I didn't think it went horribly, but I wasn't on the top of my game.

[Anonymous User]

Stroock CB

Initials? When/how?

My Stroock interviewer strongly implied I was getting a CB and I haven't heard anything yet... When I say "implied", I mean they started talking to me about what the callback would be like at the firm and that they'd try to meet up with me again at it.

AK, by email. Honestly, I was surprised. I didn't think it went horribly, but I wasn't on the top of my game.

Alright. I had a different interviewer. Was it personally from them though?

[Anonymous User]

CB Beveridge & Diamond (DC)

[Anonymous User]

I think I've rebounded a bit from my emotional low-point a day or 2 ago, and I'm optimistic that the next 2 days will bring a few more calls from last week's interviews. I have fellow transfer friends with insanely good credentials who still have 0 or 1 CB at this point. I know that can't possibly hold steady for much longer. I think we are poised to break through a bit. So I'm cautiously optimistic going into these next 2 days.

[Anonymous User]

I think I've rebounded a bit from my emotional low-point a day or 2 ago, and I'm optimistic that the next 2 days will bring a few more calls from last week's interviews. I have fellow transfer friends with insanely good credentials who still have 0 or 1 CB at this point. I know that can't possibly hold steady for much longer. I think we are poised to break through a bit. So I'm cautiously optimistic going into these next 2 days.

Stay optimistic. I'm a fellow transfer here who has gotten a good amount, but a bunch from Wednesday's interviews came Friday night. Not all are quick turnarounds.

[Anonymous User]

Stroock CB

Initials? When/how?

My Stroock interviewer strongly implied I was getting a CB and I haven't heard anything yet... When I say "implied", I mean they started talking to me about what the callback would be like at the firm and that they'd try to meet up with me again at it.

AK, by email. Honestly, I was surprised. I didn't think it went horribly, but I wasn't on the top of my game.

Alright. I had a different interviewer. Was it personally from them though?

Different anon, I got Stroock too on Friday, initials PY.