Least grade selective v15 firms? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Below median at HYS, but am going to bid on a few v15 firms just because of their huge class sizes. Any suggestions on which are less grade selective and more personality selective? No significant WE if that matters.

[thesealocust]

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

[seriouslyinformative]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

[quakeroats]

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Here's the list. V25 is (slightly) less arbitrary than V15.

1 Wachtell
2 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
3 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP
4 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and Affiliates
5 Davis Polk & Wardwell
6 Simpson Thacher & bartlett llp
7 Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
8 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
9 Kirkland & Ellis LLP
10 Covington & Burling LLP
11 Latham & Watkins LLP
12 Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
13 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
13 Williams & Connolly LLP
14 Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP
15 sidley austin llp
16 Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP
17 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
18 White & Case LLP
19 Jones Day
20 Arnold & Porter LLP
21 WilmerHale
22 O'Melveny & Myers LLP
23 Morrison & Foerster LLP
24 Shearman & Sterling LLP
25 Ropes & Gray LLP

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[Anonymous User]

need this type of information...

what about the rest of the v100? which are the least grade selective firms in that group?

-thanks,
Anon.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.

[thesealocust]

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.

Duly noted, that makes sense. I've also heard it's one of the most gorgeous offices in the city...

[seriouslyinformative]

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.

Duly noted, that makes sense. I've also heard it's one of the most gorgeous offices in the city...

Eh it's the NYTimes building. And that in and of itself, as a "brand new" building, enhances things. But I think there are nicer offices in the city.

[Aston2412]

Yea but how many people get to see


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

[seriouslyinformative]

Yea but how many people get to see


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

I don't really care for it. And the location sucks too.

[Bronte]

I don't think the economy is quite good enough yet for us to be too picky about the firm's facilities.

[Anonymous User]

Yea but how many people get to see


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

I don't see that when I walk to work. You only see that if you're coming out of the Port Authority. Most people making an exorbitant salary don't take the bus to work. They take the subway to Times Square and go in through the side of the building without ever seeing the front.

It is nice on the inside, but that depends on which law firm you're visiting. They each have their own interior design.

[seriouslyinformative]

I don't think the economy is quite good enough yet for us to be too picky about the firm's facilities.

That's such an interesting point. I never realized a discussion on facilities meant we were being picky about them. The things you learn!

[Anonymous User]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

[Anonymous User]

I've heard people say that Davis Polk places *relatively* less emphasis on grades. Not sure whether that means that someone below median has a legit shot, however.

At my school, median callback GPA at DPW ~= S&C > Cleary ~= STB ~= Skadden. Might be different at CLS/NYU.

[Anonymous User]

Yea but how many people get to see


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

I don't really care for it. And the location sucks too.

+1.

[Anonymous User]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

Paul Weiss is snobby about the non HYSCCN schools.

[SweetnessUVA]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

Hmm. I wonder why CSO doesn't trust the students with revealing GPA information...

[Anonymous User]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

Hmm. I wonder why CSO doesn't trust the students with revealing GPA information...

Lol @ "revealing." I posted it because it's helpful for other students -- tell me how it harms UVa.

[Bronte]

Lol @ "revealing." I posted it because it's helpful for other students -- tell me how it harms UVa.

The argument is that it can cause firms to increase their selectively if they feel they're underselective relative to their peers. I don't really buy it. I think they're mostly as grade selective as they can be / want to be.

[seriouslyinformative]

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

Paul Weiss is snobby about the non HYSCCN schools.

Yeah, they've regularly offered people well beyond the top third and below median at my T6.

[Vronsky]

Speaking of firm facilities, does anyone know of a way to find pics of various firms' offices in NY? How does everyone know "oh that place is in a nice new building" or "has gorgeous facilities" besides just visiting the place?

i've tried various avenues to check out the firms' pads such as google image search and flickr, but haven't found much. any ideas? firms' websites generally have little to offer.

[seriouslyinformative]

Speaking of firm facilities, does anyone know of a way to find pics of various firms' offices in NY? How does everyone know "oh that place is in a nice new building" or "has gorgeous facilities" besides just visiting the place?

i've tried various avenues to check out the firms' pads such as google image search and flickr, but haven't found much. any ideas? firms' websites generally have little to offer.

Callbacks.

[RVP11]

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