Mich OCI 2011 Forum

[Bronte]

You guys will know you're on it when you get 10,000 emails of people trying to sell their mini-fridge or offering their first born for a Notre Dame ticket

Lol yeah I wouldn't feel to bad about not being on it.

It's not too bad if you setup a gmail filter for it to skip your inbox. I don't digest as I missed a few good deals when I did...

Yeah I should set that up. I agree that digest is largely useless. Just another email at midnight that's stale anyway.

[Anonymous User]

I have a question for UM students (and I'm sorry to temporarily hijack this thread):

Do you all know how many students generally bid on Michigan firms? Also, are Michigan firms on par with DC/Chicago/NY firms as far as timing of screening interviews, callbacks and offers, etc.?

I'm originally from MI but didn't get into UM and decided to go to a school out of state because it was cheaper and significantly better than Michigan State/Wayne State/etc. I think I have a decent shot at getting back but I'm not familiar with the market or timing, so advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

[GMVarun]

Do you all know how many students generally bid on Michigan firms? Also, are Michigan firms on par with DC/Chicago/NY firms as far as timing of screening interviews, callbacks and offers, etc.?

From the statistics I remember seeing somewhere, I am fairly sure less than 10% of our class bids on Michigan firms or at least does so seriously. Probably somewhere between 5-10% of the class (so like between 20-40 people). Be wary that they require serious ties and not just to Michigan (Grand Rapids firms want Grant Rapids ties, etc.).

I think some Michigan firms come for EIW and then most come for the later fall interview program, so I think they may act later in the game than your standard biglaw but not 100% sure on this.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, this is really absurd that we don't have our schedules yet.

I have a CB this week from mass mail and that coupled with no interview schedule has really caused me to neglect researching since bidding closed.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, this is really absurd that we don't have our schedules yet.

I have a CB this week from mass mail and that coupled with no interview schedule has really caused me to neglect researching since bidding closed.

Same, the fact that I'll be wasting research on potentially 10+ firms has cause me to procrastinate. I'm not gonna go research a bunch of firms only to not have them in my schedule. I've started to look at my top 10 bids because I'm more likely to get those, but still, the fact that OCP probably has our schedules by now and is just herp derping with firms trying to fit in extras =

[Anonymous User]

yeah it's kind of bizarre, considering a lot of other schools that use a similar system gave their students their bid results weeks ago.

on a related note, once we finally do get our interview, do you know if there's any sort of "swap" system in place? for example, if i get an interview with firm A, but not firm B, which i really wanted an interview with. could i swap my interview with A to someone else who wants it in exchange for their interview slot with B?

i've heard this being done at other schools, but not sure if anyone does it at Michigan.

[Anonymous User]

yeah it's kind of bizarre, considering a lot of other schools that use a similar system gave their students their bid results weeks ago.

on a related note, once we finally do get our interview, do you know if there's any sort of "swap" system in place? for example, if i get an interview with firm A, but not firm B, which i really wanted an interview with. could i swap my interview with A to someone else who wants it in exchange for their interview slot with B?

i've heard this being done at other schools, but not sure if anyone does it at Michigan.

Judging by how OCP can't even figure out the waitlist system on symplicity, I doubt they can figure out the swap system.

[keg411]

yeah it's kind of bizarre, considering a lot of other schools that use a similar system gave their students their bid results weeks ago.

on a related note, once we finally do get our interview, do you know if there's any sort of "swap" system in place? for example, if i get an interview with firm A, but not firm B, which i really wanted an interview with. could i swap my interview with A to someone else who wants it in exchange for their interview slot with B?

i've heard this being done at other schools, but not sure if anyone does it at Michigan.

Judging by how OCP can't even figure out the waitlist system on symplicity, I doubt they can figure out the swap system.

I offered my services to GULC when I got in as a transfer to fix their CSO... I may have to do the same with Michigan and OCP .

[Anonymous User]

OK, what the shit is going on with OCP?

Not to start a panic/stampede here, but I just got an email from an EIW firm saying they "are thrilled that you will be interviewing with [firm] on [date] at the University of Michigan Law School. We will be hosting a cocktail reception the evening before interviews and would love for you to join us!"

I assume this means that they're now telling firms which students are slotted for interviews ... but this information apparently doesn't flow the other way. Or did they just send these out to everyone in the c/o 2013?

At least I know one place I'll have to do research on.


[And no, I don't want to out the firm until I know that other students are getting these. Sorry.]

[Anonymous User]

OK, what the shit is going on with OCP?

Not to start a panic/stampede here, but I just got an email from an EIW firm saying they "are thrilled that you will be interviewing with [firm] on [date] at the University of Michigan Law School. We will be hosting a cocktail reception the evening before interviews and would love for you to join us!"

I assume this means that they're now telling firms which students are slotted for interviews ... but this information apparently doesn't flow the other way. Or did they just send these out to everyone in the c/o 2013?

At least I know one place I'll have to do research on.


[And no, I don't want to out the firm until I know that other students are getting these. Sorry.]

Market?

Edit: Also Fuck OCP if they have our schedules already and are waiting a whole week to release them.

[Anonymous User]

Interviewing for DC, but the interviewer is from another office.

[Anonymous User]

Interviewing for DC, but the interviewer is from another office.

Ah, haven't gotten anything like that.

[Anonymous User]

OK, what the shit is going on with OCP?

Not to start a panic/stampede here, but I just got an email from an EIW firm saying they "are thrilled that you will be interviewing with [firm] on [date] at the University of Michigan Law School. We will be hosting a cocktail reception the evening before interviews and would love for you to join us!"

I assume this means that they're now telling firms which students are slotted for interviews ... but this information apparently doesn't flow the other way. Or did they just send these out to everyone in the c/o 2013?

At least I know one place I'll have to do research on.


[And no, I don't want to out the firm until I know that other students are getting these. Sorry.]

Market?

Edit: Also Fuck OCP if they have our schedules already and are waiting a whole week to release them.

I got the same e-mail. I think they are inviting everyone...looked pretty generic, but I could be wrong.

[Anonymous User]

Firm now that multiple people got it?

[existenz]

OCP should wait to give us our schedules and firm lists until EIW orientation on Aug. 22nd. That way they have 5 more days to add extra interview slots and make sure there are no schedule conflicts.

[Anonymous User]

OCP should wait to give us our schedules and firm lists until EIW orientation on Aug. 22nd. That way they have 5 more days to add extra interview slots and make sure there are no schedule conflicts.

Nah, why do that when they can just tell us the day of? Everyone can just report to the hotel at 8AM every day and find out their dance card for the day. So much more exciting that way!

[Anonymous User]

Firm now that multiple people got it?

Vinson & Elkins (DC)

[Anonymous User]

OCP's delay is getting more and more ridiculous. I just got an email from a firm saying that they had gotten my resume from their bidding waitlist, and wanted to slot me for an interview based on liking the resume.

So, between that and the V&E email above, I think it's safe to say that OCP is definitely releasing the lottery interview lists to firms today while leaving all of us in the dark.

Also, this perversely helps people with strong resumes on their lower bids. I now know that I'll have an interview with this firm because they chose to add me outside the lottery system - but the people who actually bid them high enough to score a lottery interview (and therefore are probably more interested in this firm/market) won't know that for another week.

I hope that going bald in my 20s won't get me dinged from interviews, because OCP is apparently trying to make me rip out my hair as I check my email every 30 seconds for the next week. What a fucking joke.

[Anonymous User]

OCP's delay is getting more and more ridiculous. I just got an email from a firm saying that they had gotten my resume from their bidding waitlist, and wanted to slot me for an interview based on liking the resume.

So, between that and the V&E email above, I think it's safe to say that OCP is definitely releasing the lottery interview lists to firms today while leaving all of us in the dark.

Also, this perversely helps people with strong resumes on their lower bids. I now know that I'll have an interview with this firm because they chose to add me outside the lottery system - but the people who actually bid them high enough to score a lottery interview (and therefore are probably more interested in this firm/market) won't know that for another week.

I hope that going bald in my 20s won't get me dinged from interviews, because OCP is apparently trying to make me rip out my hair as I check my email every 30 seconds for the next week. What a fucking joke.

Are we like the only school with such a ridiculous situation? I'm gonna be out of town without computer access the week before OCI because I assumed we would have our schedule a few weeks in advance and I could research. I just don't get why they can't send out a tentative schedule and then any additions as they come in.

[Anonymous User]

Are we like the only school with such a ridiculous situation?

I think so. I know people at other T14 schools who had to wait less than a week from the close of bidding until the schedules were released. I think I remember somebody telling me something like three days.

[Anonymous User]

yeah it's kind of ridiculous that they feel comfortable enough with the interview schedule to release that info to the firms but not enough to release that info to us..

[Anonymous User]

OCP's delay is getting more and more ridiculous. I just got an email from a firm saying that they had gotten my resume from their bidding waitlist, and wanted to slot me for an interview based on liking the resume.

So, between that and the V&E email above, I think it's safe to say that OCP is definitely releasing the lottery interview lists to firms today while leaving all of us in the dark.

Also, this perversely helps people with strong resumes on their lower bids. I now know that I'll have an interview with this firm because they chose to add me outside the lottery system - but the people who actually bid them high enough to score a lottery interview (and therefore are probably more interested in this firm/market) won't know that for another week.

I hope that going bald in my 20s won't get me dinged from interviews, because OCP is apparently trying to make me rip out my hair as I check my email every 30 seconds for the next week. What a fucking joke.

Soooo they keep us in the dark on this and a number of other things, meanwhile letting firms back into a pre-select system. Nice.

[Anonymous User]

In all fairness to OCP, the EIW manual did say that every firm would receive a stack of resumes from students who bid on a lottery interview but didn't get one. It's only the timing that's screwy on this process.

Also, it's not a true pre-select because firms don't have transcripts yet. Resume pre-select? The poster above is right - this has to benefit students with significant WE more than anyone else.

[Anonymous User]

What really bugs me is that we are not only competing against each other, but other schools too. Our system may not hurt us in a substantial way, but it certainly does not give us any advantage either.

[Anonymous User]

In all fairness to OCP, the EIW manual did say that every firm would receive a stack of resumes from students who bid on a lottery interview but didn't get one. It's only the timing that's screwy on this process.

Also, it's not a true pre-select because firms don't have transcripts yet. Resume pre-select? The poster above is right - this has to benefit students with significant WE more than anyone else.

Perhaps this is why they suggested to omit GPA from the resume? This has gotta be killing the K-JD crowd....which I'm part of.