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[de5igual]

anyone hear anything from mass-mailing?

this?

Top 1/3 at DCNG, here for the summer working and mass mailed about 2 weeks ago. No response from anybody.

still very early

[bazinga!]

still very early

good to know

[Anonymous User]

anyone hear anything from mass-mailing?

this?

Mailed 5 places about 3-4 weeks ago. So far only heard back from 1 about an interview. School one of HYSCC.

[Anonymous User]

anyone hear anything from mass-mailing?

this?

Mailed 5 places about 3-4 weeks ago. So far only heard back from 1 about an interview. School one of HYSCC.

where'd you hear back from?

[Anonymous User]

anyone hear anything from mass-mailing?

this?

Mailed 5 places about 3-4 weeks ago. So far only heard back from 1 about an interview. School one of HYSCC.

where'd you hear back from?

I don't want to say which one until there has been more movement. I will see that it isn't one of the real big players in ATL (A+B, K&S, JD, etc.) but pays salary in their realm.

[Anonymous User]

I have an interview w/ A+B. Barely made it to top 33% at Emory, secondary journal, and have no real ties to Atlanta. Obviously this will not impact how I approach my interview, but I'm curious if I have any chance or if my interview was a fluke. I also went to a top undergrad and have a little WE, though I know this may not mean anything.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know the offer rates of the major shops in town for
This summer class. Especially A+B and K&S.

[Anonymous User]

Think everyone at A+B got an offer. Pretty sure no-offers aren't an issue there unless you're an epic screwup.

[Anonymous User]

I think the big firms generally give 100 percent offers.

[Anonymous User]

also at emory. did anyone get a bondurant interview? not that i was expecting one, i'm just curious.

top 15 pct, 5 interviews and 2 alts, in case anyone wanted to know.

Predictably, they gave a small but non-zero # of interviews as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have an idea of what the summer class sizes are going to look like for 2013? Specifically K&S, A+B, Troutman, Kilpatrick, McKenna, Sutherland, etc.

Alston had (IIRC) 26 2Ls and 4 1Ls this summer. They've got the biggest ATL class by far, but they've also got the biggest ATL office by far - I think the others generally have ~10 or less. I haven't heard anything that would cause me to believe that those ranges will change by more than 4 or 5 people for any one firm.

King & Spalding's class is small too? That's kind of scary if A+B is the only firm with a big (20+) person summer class

Yeah. People aren't joking when they say the city's a bloodbath. Check the NALP pages to be certain, but I'm 99% sure no other firm in ATL has a summer class of more than 15. Different firms, different philosophies: not everyone is roaring into the mini-recovery and most of those that are have been playing it extremely cautiously. A&B's Amlaw numbers have been very very good, could be part of the bigger class size but I dunno, they've been big two years in a row now.

As far as I can tell, A&B and K&S have roughly equal attorney headcounts in Atlanta. I think K&S just is more conservative with their summer program and fills in with 3L hiring and junior and midlevel lateral hiring.

[Anonymous User]

Alston had (IIRC) 26 2Ls and 4 1Ls this summer. They've got the biggest ATL class by far, but they've also got the biggest ATL office by far - I think the others generally have ~10 or less. I haven't heard anything that would cause me to believe that those ranges will change by more than 4 or 5 people for any one firm.

King & Spalding's class is small too? That's kind of scary if A+B is the only firm with a big (20+) person summer class

Yeah. People aren't joking when they say the city's a bloodbath. Check the NALP pages to be certain, but I'm 99% sure no other firm in ATL has a summer class of more than 15. Different firms, different philosophies: not everyone is roaring into the mini-recovery and most of those that are have been playing it extremely cautiously. A&B's Amlaw numbers have been very very good, could be part of the bigger class size but I dunno, they've been big two years in a row now.

As far as I can tell, A&B and K&S have roughly equal attorney headcounts in Atlanta. I think K&S just is more conservative with their summer program and fills in with 3L hiring and junior and midlevel lateral hiring.

A&B has over 100 more partners and partner-track associates in the ATL office - the NALP form for K&S includes a lot more staff attorneys (who aren't comparable to either) and counsel (who may or may not be, since that title covers a lot of ground including mostly-retired former partners, attorneys in quasi-consulting roles, and attorneys who serve more traditional functions). I believe you when you say laterals and 3Ls make up some of the difference, but A&B's head count of more "normal" attorney positions is almost an extra 33% above that of K&S if I'm reading the two forms correctly.

[Anonymous User]

For those of you also doing Emory's Early OCI, how many interviews did you get? I have 15 interviews and 3 alternates (top 15% + secondary journal, atlanta ties), but have also seen posters from this thread with good credentials get in the 3-5 interview range. Just want to see what's pretty typical.

Also, for anyone wondering, CSO told me that firms could select up to 21 candidates and 12 alternates for interviews, although some may have chosen less.

[Anonymous User]

I have an interview w/ A+B. Barely made it to top 33% at Emory, secondary journal, and have no real ties to Atlanta. Obviously this will not impact how I approach my interview, but I'm curious if I have any chance or if my interview was a fluke. I also went to a top undergrad and have a little WE, though I know this may not mean anything.

You have a chance. A&B is all about fit, so they are willing to go a little lower in the class to get that. Your grades are now a non-issue. They will be focusing on whether your personality fits into their culture.

[rad lulz]

I have an interview w/ A+B. Barely made it to top 33% at Emory, secondary journal, and have no real ties to Atlanta. Obviously this will not impact how I approach my interview, but I'm curious if I have any chance or if my interview was a fluke. I also went to a top undergrad and have a little WE, though I know this may not mean anything.

You have a chance. A&B is all about fit, so they are willing to go a little lower in the class to get that. Your grades are now a non-issue. They will be focusing on whether your personality fits into their culture.

They're still an issue breh. Poaster has a chance, but grades matter.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on rank required for Bondurant from HYS with very strong ties?

[letsdoit]

Thoughts on rank required for Bondurant from HYS with very strong ties?

The website says "top 5%" from any school and I think that pretty much applies universally. Maybe a little leeway from HYS.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on rank required for Bondurant from HYS with very strong ties?

The website says "top 5%" from any school and I think that pretty much applies universally. Maybe a little leeway from HYS.

Do you have any reason for saying this? I looked briefly and the HLS people I saw graduated cum laude, which means they were somewhere between top 10% and top 40%.

[letsdoit]

Thoughts on rank required for Bondurant from HYS with very strong ties?

The website says "top 5%" from any school and I think that pretty much applies universally. Maybe a little leeway from HYS.

Do you have any reason for saying this? I looked briefly and the HLS people I saw graduated cum laude, which means they were somewhere between top 10% and top 40%.

From NALP: "Top 5% of Class, Moot Court and/or Law Review Preferred"

[Anonymous User]

Well, a lot of firms give "cutoffs" that aren't really cutoffs. Perhaps Bondurant is different, but generally cutoffs aren't the same across every tier...

[BruceWayne]

The person saying top 5 percent even for HYS is wrong. HYS are in another world from any other schools. The characteristics that people on here attribute to the "Top 6" "Top 5"etc. are really on true of HYS. You can't even tell what top 5 percent is at Yale and Stanford. I'm not saying that they will go down to whatever at HYS (well at Yale they probably will since they truly have no grades) but you don't have to be top 5 percent at HYS to work there. I'm sure below median at Harvard and Stanford is out of luck but other than that it probably comes down to things like being on law review and whether you have a fed clerkship lined up.

[Anonymous User]

The person saying top 5 percent even for HYS is wrong. HYS are in another world from any other schools. The characteristics that people on here attribute to the "Top 6" "Top 5"etc. are really on true of HYS. You can't even tell what top 5 percent is at Yale and Stanford. I'm not saying that they will go down to whatever at HYS (well at Yale they probably will since they truly have no grades) but you don't have to be top 5 percent at HYS to work there. I'm sure below median at Harvard and Stanford is out of luck but other than that it probably comes down to things like being on law review and whether you have a fed clerkship lined up.

Who has a fed clerkship lined up at the end of 1L year?

[AllTheLawz]

Thoughts on rank required for Bondurant from HYS with very strong ties?

The website says "top 5%" from any school and I think that pretty much applies universally. Maybe a little leeway from HYS.

Do you have any reason for saying this? I looked briefly and the HLS people I saw graduated cum laude, which means they were somewhere between top 10% and top 40%.

From NALP: "Top 5% of Class, Moot Court and/or Law Review Preferred"

Yeah.. dont pay attention to those.. we (HLS) have 3rd tier Boston firms come to EIP that will take pretty much any grades in the class and their entries still say things like "top 25% and LR required". I think they just copy and paste those to all their entries.

[Anonymous User]

Apparently Troutman deferred this class until next March. shit sucks

[BruceWayne]

Yeah.. dont pay attention to those.. we (HLS) have 3rd tier Boston firms come to EIP that will take pretty much any grades in the class and their entries still say things like "top 25% and LR required". I think they just copy and paste those to all their entries.

You're definitely right in most cases, but for Bondurant it's legit (except for HYS students). But maybe you were only referring to HYS anyway since you're at Harvard.

Who has a fed clerkship lined up at the end of 1L year?

They gauge it based off of grades. Honestly they aren't the only firm that does this. Susman Godfrey (basically the same type of firm as Bondurant) in Texas does the same thing. Summer offers are contingent on landing a federal clerkship.

Apparently Troutman deferred this class until next March. shit sucks

Class of 2012?