Double Dipping OCI Forum

[Anonymous User]

Is there anything wrong with doing Early Interview Week at your old school and then transferring to a different school?

[Voyager]

Is there anything wrong with doing Early Interview Week at your old school and then transferring to a different school?

your old school will be pissed.

IN fact, how would you make this happen? When you tell your old school you are transferring, don't they bar you from EIP?

Also, you know this is wrong. You are fucking over your peers when you do not need to. Ethics, dude. Ethics.

If you need another practical reason: your peers will know and remember.

[Anonymous User]

At the EIW deadline, i was not accepted in any other law school.

Is there anything wrong with doing Early Interview Week at your old school and then transferring to a different school?

your old school will be pissed.

IN fact, how would you make this happen? When you tell your old school you are transferring, don't they bar you from EIP?

Also, you know this is wrong. You are fucking over your peers when you do not need to. Ethics, dude. Ethics.

If you need another practical reason: your peers will know and remember.

[Voyager]

Ah. Well... have you told your old school you are transferring?

Dude. you know this is unethical. If you are taking the transfer, you are no longer a student at the old school. How will you do the EIP interviews? Do you tell the firm you are a transfer student at school XXX?

If you do call backs and they ask you how you like your old school, are you going to tell them you are no longer there? IF you do not, what happens when you are forced to divulge that?

Look: bad idea.

[blurbz]

Ah. Well... have you told your old school you are transferring?

Dude. you know this is unethical. If you are taking the transfer, you are no longer a student at the old school. How will you do the EIP interviews? Do you tell the firm you are a transfer student at school XXX?

If you do call backs and they ask you how you like your old school, are you going to tell them you are no longer there? IF you do not, what happens when you are forced to divulge that?

Look: bad idea.

This.

[Anonymous User]

I still have not received any acceptances from any law schools yet. When I get into one, do I cancel my interviews? is that how I am suppose to do it?

Ah. Well... have you told your old school you are transferring?

Dude. you know this is unethical. If you are taking the transfer, you are no longer a student at the old school. How will you do the EIP interviews? Do you tell the firm you are a transfer student at school XXX?

If you do call backs and they ask you how you like your old school, are you going to tell them you are no longer there? IF you do not, what happens when you are forced to divulge that?

Look: bad idea.

[Voyager]

I still have not received any acceptances from any law schools yet. When I get into one, do I cancel my interviews? is that how I am suppose to do it?

Ah. Well... have you told your old school you are transferring?

Dude. you know this is unethical. If you are taking the transfer, you are no longer a student at the old school. How will you do the EIP interviews? Do you tell the firm you are a transfer student at school XXX?

If you do call backs and they ask you how you like your old school, are you going to tell them you are no longer there? IF you do not, what happens when you are forced to divulge that?

Look: bad idea.

Once you accept your transfer, you need to tell your old school and they will tell you what to do. Your new school will also fill you in on the OCI process.

Don't cancel anything until YOU have accepted the transfer offer.

You will get your transfer offer before EIP... if not, call the schools you applied to and ask them what your status is.

[Anonymous User]

Don't do it man... I did it last year. It was pretty bad. Not in terms of job prospects (but it could be -- the firm that basically caught me double dipping ratted me out to my old school but it looks like they didn't talk about it with attorneys at other firms, but they could have -- a really, really bad thing), but my old school called my new school and bitched me out and I had to have a sit down with the dean at my new school (not a great way to start out your year). Seriously, don't double dip.

[let/them/eat/cake]

Don't do it man... I did it last year. It was pretty bad. Not in terms of job prospects (but it could be -- the firm that basically caught me double dipping ratted me out to my old school but it looks like they didn't talk about it with attorneys at other firms, but they could have -- a really, really bad thing), but my old school called my new school and bitched me out and I had to have a sit down with the dean at my new school (not a great way to start out your year). Seriously, don't double dip.

sounds surious.

[Anonymous User]

What if they are totally different firms?
How did they catch you? did you apply to the same firm 2 times?

Don't do it man... I did it last year. It was pretty bad. Not in terms of job prospects (but it could be -- the firm that basically caught me double dipping ratted me out to my old school but it looks like they didn't talk about it with attorneys at other firms, but they could have -- a really, really bad thing), but my old school called my new school and bitched me out and I had to have a sit down with the dean at my new school (not a great way to start out your year). Seriously, don't double dip.

[UnTouChablE]

Jus do it if you think you can get away wit it. Schools don't care about you as a person so dont try and spare their feelings. Its all about about getting a job ITE so why let easy chances like this slip by?

I cant think of 3 or 4 reasons of the top of my head that could explain away any possible complication that could arise from this.

Your classmates should not take issue, you are just doing what anyone else who have done, tryin to give yourself a chance at success in this tough atmosphere.

Do both OCI's and try to land the best job you can get, imho.

[ggocat]

Send letter to employers who participate in old school's OCI: "Oh hai, I'm transferring to a better school, but I'm gonna be around old skool when you are visiting. I can't participate in OCI because old skool career services is full of meenie heads. Look at my awesome grades! Can you squeeze me in? Resume enclosed. kthanxbai!"

[Anonymous User]

What if they are totally different firms?
How did they catch you? did you apply to the same firm 2 times?

Don't do it man... I did it last year. It was pretty bad. Not in terms of job prospects (but it could be -- the firm that basically caught me double dipping ratted me out to my old school but it looks like they didn't talk about it with attorneys at other firms, but they could have -- a really, really bad thing), but my old school called my new school and bitched me out and I had to have a sit down with the dean at my new school (not a great way to start out your year). Seriously, don't double dip.

No, I didn't apply to the same firm twice (I didn't even interview with firms in the same market at my new school as my old school). They caught me because they saw me at OCI at my other school and asked me about it during the interview. I told them that I am transferring, but then they started probing around at my old school, which led to the information that I already transferred. The reason that this is really bad isn't because you might get caught by one of the schools though. The reason it's bad is because if a law firm finds out about it and talks to other firms you are effectively going to be known as a douchebag in that entire market and none of the firms will hire you. The legal community really isn't that large and it tends to be a fairly tightly knit group where it isn't all that unlikely that the recruiting committee from one law firm talks to the recruiting committee from another law firm in that same market (I mean these people work together all the time and for year -- whether they are representing co-parties or on the other side of each other). You'll notice just how much everyone gets to know everyone else when you're at a law firm.

Trust me man, I'm the oxymoron of ethical. I really don't give a shit about much and I'd be the last person to tell you that this is the "wrong thing to do" because its "bad" or some bullshit like that. I pretty much take every edge I can, and don't really care as long as I don't think there's a very good chance of getting boned for it (e.g. like how I double dipped OCI because I thought there's no way I would get caught). I'm saying this because this is really something that can fuck you over. IMO, however, if you are going to chance it, at the very least, bid on markets far apart at the 2 different schools just so you reduce your odds of getting ass raped if you do get caught for double dipping.

[MrKappus]

So even if OP hasn't been accepted to any new schools, he/she shouldn't do OCI at his old one?? What if he's not accepted anywhere?

[Anonymous User]

What if they are totally different firms?
How did they catch you? did you apply to the same firm 2 times?

Don't do it man... I did it last year. It was pretty bad. Not in terms of job prospects (but it could be -- the firm that basically caught me double dipping ratted me out to my old school but it looks like they didn't talk about it with attorneys at other firms, but they could have -- a really, really bad thing), but my old school called my new school and bitched me out and I had to have a sit down with the dean at my new school (not a great way to start out your year). Seriously, don't double dip.

No, I didn't apply to the same firm twice (I didn't even interview with firms in the same market at my new school as my old school). They caught me because they saw me at OCI at my other school and asked me about it during the interview. I told them that I am transferring, but then they started probing around at my old school, which led to the information that I already transferred. The reason that this is really bad isn't because you might get caught by one of the schools though. The reason it's bad is because if a law firm finds out about it and talks to other firms you are effectively going to be known as a douchebag in that entire market and none of the firms will hire you. The legal community really isn't that large and it tends to be a fairly tightly knit group where it isn't all that unlikely that the recruiting committee from one law firm talks to the recruiting committee from another law firm in that same market (I mean these people work together all the time and for year -- whether they are representing co-parties or on the other side of each other). You'll notice just how much everyone gets to know everyone else when you're at a law firm.

Trust me man, I'm the oxymoron of ethical. I really don't give a shit about much and I'd be the last person to tell you that this is the "wrong thing to do" because its "bad" or some bullshit like that. I pretty much take every edge I can, and don't really care as long as I don't think there's a very good chance of getting boned for it (e.g. like how I double dipped OCI because I thought there's no way I would get caught). I'm saying this because this is really something that can fuck you over. IMO, however, if you are going to chance it, at the very least, bid on markets far apart at the 2 different schools just so you reduce your odds of getting ass raped if you do get caught for double dipping.

You are a horrible person.

[dresden doll]

So even if OP hasn't been accepted to any new schools, he/she shouldn't do OCI at his old one?? What if he's not accepted anywhere?

OP should plan on doing OCI at his old school for as long as he has no acceptances he plans to act upon. Once he's been accepted and decided to attend a different institution, however, he needs to bow out of his old school's OCI. End of story.

[bceagles182]

Thought I'd revive this debate from last year

Taken from Arrow's transfer post:

Doing 2 OCI’s and Double Dipping

This is definitely unfair. Since you are a transfer, you are in a unique position where it is possible for you to participate both in your old school’s OCI and your new school’s OCI. However, I did learn about this from a few long talks with a couple of very intelligent and clever individuals.

How does this work? Well, most non-top schools do OCI very early (like mid-August) in order to get an edge on the top schools. Most top schools can do OCI a bit later (like in September) because they are good schools and can do so. The problem is that sometimes, students do not get their acceptances until after they have started doing OCI at their old school. Therefore, if the new school also allows them to do OCI, they are not able to interview again (aka twice). The one rule in doing this is that you do not bid on or interview with the same firm at the same office twice.

So, to recap, this is possible and it does happen. I have met two people personally who have done it and heard of 3 people online who have done it. Only one person somewhere has admitted that they planned to transfer with the intent of doing OCI twice and planned it out so that he could do more interviews. My guess is that this happens a lot more often, but is kept on the down-low.

The Pros (of double dipping and doing OCI at your old school):
-Because you get more interviews (duh) and probably a wider range of interviews, in addition, you might be able to choose the location of your interview (at the new school or the old school)
-You can overcome bid/interview limits (some schools limit the number of bids or interviews you can have)
-Because this is an unusual economy and it is better to be a bit aggressive. In fact, most people think that being aggressive in the job hunt is okay. In this economy though, you take every interview you get.
-Because you have no choice. Most people who do two OCI’s are reasonable in doing so. If you have not received an acceptance yet, you MUST do OCI at your old school since it would be silly to not interview simply because you applied to transfer and you are waiting on an answer. If you do not get in, then you just screwed yourself. In addition, when you have not received an acceptance from a new school, you are still a student at your old school.
-Because sometimes, you might not be able to do OCI at your new school. Some acceptances come late and OCI bidding might be over at your new school (rare, but it happens)
-Because who would want to turn down an interview with a firm they want to work for?
-Because you paid for a year’s worth of tuition and OCI (which starts before 2L year) is “arguably” part of the 1st year since it is based on 1st year grades
-Because you are past the interview cancelation deadline and you received your acceptance like 48 hours before the interview
-Because employers often pre-select at your old school’s OCI but not your new school’s
-Because doing OCI at your old school allows for a better comparison of your grades
-Because you HAVE to do interviews somewhere right? If you are transfer, then you probably know that the people at your old school do not want you to interview there. At the same time, the people at the new school do not want you to interview there either since you are not the typical student who did their 1L year
-If you are doing OCI at your old school, you get to interview earlier and before the spots are taken up. If you end up getting an offer before your new school’s OCI, you may not have to do 2 OCI’s
-Because it is in YOUR best interest. I have never heard of doing 2 OCI’s as illegal or against school policy. In fact, most schools know about it and realize that it is a consequence that occurs when they move their OCI up early and before people get their transfer acceptances.

Cons
-This is obviously unfair since most people can only do OCI once
-Arguments have made that there is often some lying involved and borders on being unethical or immoral
-This is actually hard to do and many times you may not have the opportunity to do so
-You may have to tell your employers suddenly (if you get a callback) that they have to pay travel fees for callbacks
-This topic almost always reinforces transfer stigma
-This is not recommended as something you should do by the general population. Most people would probably think that this should be illegal

Like many people, I was super jealous when I heard about this opportunity since my two schools do OCI in pretty much the same week. Basically the advantages of doing two OCIs are SO great that people frown upon it equally greatly. It might not be so bad to get a late acceptance (or get off a waitlist) after all.