law review boost? Forum

[Anonymous User]

In terms of choosing what firms to bid on, does anyone have any knowledge/experience with how much, if any, being on law review should help one's bidding prospects? E.g., if one should bid on firms that hire within one's gpa range, is there a rough estimation for how one should alter thier bidding if on law review (e.g. if one has a 3.4 and is on law review, then should he/she bid as though he/she has a 3.5/3.6?). Just asking to prevent under/overshooting. thanks

[ggocat]

I would only bid based on GPA and let law review be the thing that distinguishes you from the other people who bid.

But this is a question that should probably be directed to your CSO rather than TLS, where bidding may vary from school to school.

Good luck.

[Cavalier]

I know two people who wrote-on to law review, and said that it didn't seem to help much. Obviously go to career services, but without data to show otherwise, I wouldn't bid any higher than someone in your range normally would.

[thesealocust]

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[Anonymous User]

The strong impression I get is that LR + not top of the class grades will have you over-perform those without law review, but not perform as well as somebody with slightly better grades. Definitely don't let it alter your bidding strategy.

And LR will likely open other doors (will make clerking easier, etc.) even if it doesn't get you Cravath out of OCI.

You say LR would allow one w/o top grades to out-perform those w/o LR but not those w/ better grades? This seems to assume that anyone with better grades will been on LR? What about those that have slightly better grades but are not on LR?

[vanwinkle]

You say LR would allow one w/o top grades to out-perform those w/o LR but not those w/ better grades? This seems to assume that anyone with better grades will been on LR? What about those that have slightly better grades but are not on LR?

I think what he means is something like this:

3.3 GPA + LR > 3.3 GPA w/o LR

3.5 GPA w/o LR > 3.3 GPA + LR

[thesealocust]

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[TTT-LS]

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[Ender Wiggins]

I know two people who wrote-on to law review, and said that it didn't seem to help much. Obviously go to career services, but without data to show otherwise, I wouldn't bid any higher than someone in your range normally would.

True...sadly, true. Law review only helps insofar as you grade on as opposed to writing on (unless you're at a T-14 where you pretty much write on no matter what).

It really is all about GPA.

[underdawg]

interesting. so you guys think LR has barely any boost independent of grades? so would some 4.0 d00d at CCN who didn't do LR be treated similar to 4.0 LR d00d? probably not, because interviewers might just assume 4.0-no-LR is just lazy. even though 4.0-no-LR might've chosen not to do LR because it has no boost independent of grades. whoa i just blew my mind

[ggocat]

interesting. so you guys think LR has barely any boost independent of grades? so would some 4.0 d00d at CCN who didn't do LR be treated similar to 4.0 LR d00d?

Read the thread before posting? No one suggested this. Consensus seems to be that LR will distinguish between people who have similar GPAs but will probably not have a significant "boost" compared to a non-LR student with higher grades. (How much higher, of course, is unknown. Hiring is often about more than just law review and grades.)

[Anonymous User]

another reason I was curious about this was because, from what I have heard (not knowing whether it's actually true or not), the most important grade is your LRW grade. Granted, I imagine it is bad to assume that one's LRW grade counts for much or that employers will actually go through each and every grade, but it seems reasonable that LRW would be most important. If this is true, then being on LR would seem to help one's employment prospect seeing as LR seems to be a reflection of how good someone is at LRW-type shit.

[Cavalier]

another reason I was curious about this was because, from what I have heard (not knowing whether it's actually true or not), the most important grade is your LRW grade. Granted, I imagine it is bad to assume that one's LRW grade counts for much or that employers will actually go through each and every grade, but it seems reasonable that LRW would be most important. If this is true, then being on LR would seem to help one's employment prospect seeing as LR seems to be a reflection of how good someone is at LRW-type shit.

My LRW grade at UVA is median. Am I screwed?

[ggocat]

LR seems to be a reflection of how good someone is at LRW-type shit.

I disagree with this assumption unless a write-on competition is the primary or sole means of selecting membership.

[thesealocust]

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[vanwinkle]

another reason I was curious about this was because, from what I have heard (not knowing whether it's actually true or not), the most important grade is your LRW grade.

This would make it hard for students at many T14 schools to find jobs, since the best grade they can get is "Pass".

[Anonymous User]

most important does not necessarily mean very important. Have you guys really lost your lsat skills already?
And I'm just asking b/c that is what a few 2Ls told me. I never said it was in fact true.

[vanwinkle]

most important does not necessarily mean very important. Have you guys really lost your lsat skills already?

Um. If grades are important, and you refer to one grade as your most important grade, it is rational to believe that means you think the grade is very important.

Of course, it's funny that you defend it in one line and then distance yourself from it the next:

And I'm just asking b/c that is what a few 2Ls told me. I never said it was in fact true.

Holy spontaneous backtrack, Batman.

[IBThatGuy]

Law students bid on firms? I realize this would be some sort of point system, but I just ran a Bing search and didn't find anything helpful. Can someone give me a sense of what that means?

[Anonymous User]

most important does not necessarily mean very important. Have you guys really lost your lsat skills already?

Um. If grades are important, and you refer to one grade as your most important grade, it is rational to believe that means you think the grade is very important.

Poor thing. There is a difference between only gradES being important and A grade being important. Would an illustration aid your feeble mind?
Person 1: Civ Pro A; Con law A; LRW B.
Person 2: Civ Pro B; Con law A; LRW A.

If only gradES matter, then person 1 and 2 would have equal employment prospects (barring interview skills etc.). If A specific grade matters more than others (e.g. if in this case LRW) for a reason other than only how it contributes to your overall gpa then person 2 would have an advantage over person 1.

Of course, it's funny that you defend it in one line and then distance yourself from it the next:

And I'm just asking b/c that is what a few 2Ls told me. I never said it was in fact true.

Holy spontaneous backtrack, Batman.

stop being weird

[OperaSoprano]

from what I have heard (not knowing whether it's actually true or not), the most important grade is your LRW grade.

completely false, extraordinarily amusing.

In agreement, mostly out of blind hope.

[thesealocust]

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[vanwinkle]

Poor thing. There is a difference between only gradES being important and A grade being important. Would an illustration aid your feeble mind?

This entire response doesn't need to be anonymous, and has been flagged by a user for inappropriate conduct. The only reason I'm not unscreening it is that you're the OP and it's not hard for people reading to figure out it's been the same person making all the anonymous comments in this thread. Instead I'm just going to warn you that the anonymous feature is not meant to cloak petty hostility like your "poor thing" and "feeble mind" remarks, and if you keep using the anonymous feature in this capacity, you will be outed in response and may face harsher action as well.

To put it more bluntly, don't play with fire.

[Anonymous User]

Poor thing. There is a difference between only gradES being important and A grade being important. Would an illustration aid your feeble mind?

This entire response doesn't need to be anonymous, and has been flagged by a user for inappropriate conduct. The only reason I'm not unscreening it is that you're the OP and it's not hard for people reading to figure out it's been the same person making all the anonymous comments in this thread. Instead I'm just going to warn you that the anonymous feature is not meant to cloak petty hostility like your "poor thing" and "feeble mind" remarks, and if you keep using the anonymous feature in this capacity, you will be outed in response and may face harsher action as well.

To put it more bluntly, don't play with fire.

I understand and I apologize. I do not understand this though: why does a feisty response to a feisty post always mean the former is out of line and the inciter but the latter is free from blame (e.g. I have an honest inquiry so I decide to ask TLS, but then I get scoffed at)? That happens all the time here and I do not understand. But anyway, my apologies.

[vanwinkle]

I understand and I apologize. I do not understand this though: why does a feisty response to a feisty post always mean the former is out of line and the inciter but the latter is free from blame (e.g. I have an honest inquiry so I decide to ask TLS, but then I get scoffed at)? That happens all the time here and I do not understand. But anyway, my apologies.

Two things:

1) If you're posting anonymously, people will get angry a lot more quickly if you become petty or insulting, because not only are you doing so, but you're doing it under a cloak of anonymity so people can't see who you are. This is not cool. If you don't like what I say to you, well, you're free to hate me, but you also know who I am. I'm a mod, so I can see who you are, but most people can't, and that upsets them because they don't even know who to be angry at.

2) There's two kind of "feisty posts", and it's very important to understand the difference between the two. The first is making fun of a person's comments. People will scoff or mock, there's no real way to prevent that without turning this place into Nazi Germany, and besides, it's part of people communicating to each other when an idea is abundantly wrong. This happens a lot; please do not get butthurt over this. If you say something mockable, people will probably mock it. It's a good indication that you're wrong, and should take a step back and reconsider why you said it in the first place.

The second, though, is making fun of a person's intelligence in general. When someone says "this is a ridiculous comment" or otherwise scoffs at and mocks a particular point you've made, they're not calling you a stupid person, but when you say "have you guys forgotten your LSAT skills", "poor thing", and "feeble minded", that's exactly what you're doing. That escalates things in an unnecessary way.

So, I would encourage you not to get caught up in making those kind of comments, especially not in situations where you're using the anonymous feature. Keeping those things in mind will help you avoid the worst kind of trouble, and also to not get so upset when people do attack your comments.

Now, I hope that this sufficiently clears things up for you that you can drop it. If anyone wishes to resume having on-topic conversation they should do so. Otherwise I'll lock the thread due to content inappropriate for the employment forum.