Michigan 2014 OCI Thread!!!!!!! Forum

[scaliaantics]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

[welcometoscotland]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/

[scaliaantics]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/

You have got to be fucking kidding me...

[welcometoscotland]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

<a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/[/quote"><span>http</span><span>://</span><span>www</span><span>.</span><span>rmmagazine</span><span>.</span><span>com</span><span>/</span><span>2012</span><span>/</span><span>04</span><span>/</span><span>02</span><span>/</span><span>nightmare</span><span>-</span><span>scenario</span><span>-</span><span>the</span><span>-</span><span>fallacy</span><span>-</span><span>of</span><span>-</span><span>worst</span><span>-</span><span>case</span><span>-</span><span>thinking</span><span>/[/</span><span>quote</span></a>]

You have got to be fucking kidding me...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... -jokes-who

[scaliaantics]

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

You have got to be fucking kidding me...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... -jokes-who

So you're just an idiot. Okay.

I assumed the opposite of the worst case. I made arguments from the best case scenario and then moved from there to a reasonably optimistic outlook. But instead of actually observing optimistic interpretations of reality, you went full retard.

[Anonymous User]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/

Lol what an asshole. Look, man, I lived this my 2L year too. Everyone thinks their year did great every damn year. Everyone thinks everyone got an offer except the social retards and the academic retards. I've actually watched the entire cycle. You haven't been there. I know a shitload of people still looking for jobs, including me. I know a bunch of people who got no offered because their firms aren't on the NALP directory and can pull that shit. Your class isn't special irrespective of curve changes and smaller class sizes.

[Anonymous User]

He's just further establishing the joking carefree unsympathetic and out of touch attitude of some students who performed well or heard a few good stories and refuses to accept the reality that it's not all sunshine and daisies

[scaliaantics]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/

Lol what an asshole. Look, man, I lived this my 2L year too. Everyone thinks their year did great every damn year. Everyone thinks everyone got an offer except the social retards and the academic retards. I've actually watched the entire cycle. You haven't been there. I know a shitload of people still looking for jobs, including me. I know a bunch of people who got no offered because their firms aren't on the NALP directory and can pull that shit. Your class isn't special irrespective of curve changes and smaller class sizes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0lIdr5TsaU

[Anonymous User]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

http://www.rmmagazine.com/2012/04/02/ni ... -thinking/

Lol what an asshole. Look, man, I lived this my 2L year too. Everyone thinks their year did great every damn year. Everyone thinks everyone got an offer except the social retards and the academic retards. I've actually watched the entire cycle. You haven't been there. I know a shitload of people still looking for jobs, including me. I know a bunch of people who got no offered because their firms aren't on the NALP directory and can pull that shit. Your class isn't special irrespective of curve changes and smaller class sizes.

Wow. I am not the person who posted those links, which may have some relevance, but it's a little telling that the person who didn't get a job feels like it's a sound idea to be using terms like "social retards" and "academic retards" on a public forum while associating oneself with Michigan Law. Yikes.

[scaliaantics]

Wow. I am not the person who posted those links, which may have some relevance, but it's a little telling that the person who didn't get a job feels like it's a sound idea to be using terms like "social retards" and "academic retards" on a public forum while associating oneself with Michigan Law. Yikes.

http://cl.ly/image/0E1t0g3M2L3v. Retard.

[megagnarley]

Everybody go have a beer.

[Anonymous User]

No, it's not telling. I'm an academic retard who couldn't swing an offer with my terrible grades. This is the shit I'm talking about. You clamor to find some reason why a lot of people get fucked and assume. This is really easy to grasp. People get fucked, and you're not going to know the extent to which your class is fucked until a ways down the road.

[Anonymous User]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

Haha wait, "every piece of actual evidence"? What "evidence" do you have besides anonymous posts on TLS? Because I have just as much "evidence" from first-hand sources in my friends at school. And I have heard of many many doing well. Several 3.2s with V50s, a sub 3.0 with secondary market offers, etc.

[Anonymous User]

This escalated quickly.

Everyone is using anecdotal evidence to back up their argument ("everyone I've talked to" "only 5-10% of people I've talked to", etc.). Guess what? This is a big class. How your immediate social circle performed means jack. Wait until the final numbers come out before arguing about how the class did as a whole.

[scaliaantics]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

Haha wait, "every piece of actual evidence"? What "evidence" do you have besides anonymous posts on TLS? Because I have just as much "evidence" from first-hand sources in my friends at school. And I have heard of many many doing well. Several 3.2s with V50s, a sub 3.0 with secondary market offers, etc.

Except you discount any sort of anecdotal evidence that isn't your own. I'm extrapolating from the individual data points that are siting in front of us. Clearly that isn't persuasive but given that every class before us has underperformed the consensus about how well we did, the fact that people who report striking out seem to be statistically in line with the total number of people who actually strike out , and the anecdotal evidence that literally everyone except you and your sunshine ass seem to be reporting tells me that your evidence is basically bullshit.

The class of 2013 had less than half of people find jobs through OCI. They reported the same rosy information that you're reporting now. "Everyone did well. Nobody is worried. Everything is going to be fine." Since then, legal hiring has decreased. Your expectation that people who have been paying attention should believe that "this year is different because you have friends that did well" is both naive and stupid. The fact that your class is smaller and your GPA changed are relevant factors, but aren't dispositive of literally anything. So show me something to make me believe you're not full of shit.

[Anonymous User]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

Haha wait, "every piece of actual evidence"? What "evidence" do you have besides anonymous posts on TLS? Because I have just as much "evidence" from first-hand sources in my friends at school. And I have heard of many many doing well. Several 3.2s with V50s, a sub 3.0 with secondary market offers, etc.

Except you discount any sort of anecdotal evidence that isn't your own. I'm extrapolating from the individual data points that are siting in front of us. Clearly that isn't persuasive but given that every class before us has underperformed the consensus about how well we did, the fact that people who report striking out seem to be statistically in line with the total number of people who actually strike out , and the anecdotal evidence that literally everyone except you and your sunshine ass seem to be reporting tells me that your evidence is basically bullshit.

The class of 2013 had less than half of people find jobs through OCI. They reported the same rosy information that you're reporting now. "Everyone did well. Nobody is worried. Everything is going to be fine." Since then, legal hiring has decreased, and you expect people who have been paying attention to believe that "this year is different because you have friends that did well" is both naive and stupid.

Maybe you struck out because you type (and presumably talk) like an arrogant soulless robot.

[Neil Fingleton]

We will see what the #s are when they come out, but I think a few of you here are vastly underestimating how well most of the class did. If there are 3.5 people without jobs there at least as many individuals with that GPA with 3+ offers. Also a number of people with near median grades and offers at V10s.

Again, if you didn't do well, that sucks. I do feel bad for you. But some of you are really grasping at straws right now with some of the claims you're making.

You need to justify these statements. Because every piece of actual evidence we have indicates that this isn't true.

Look I want to believe that everything was great at michigan this year. I really do. But its your job to convince me. You didn't even try.

Haha wait, "every piece of actual evidence"? What "evidence" do you have besides anonymous posts on TLS? Because I have just as much "evidence" from first-hand sources in my friends at school. And I have heard of many many doing well. Several 3.2s with V50s, a sub 3.0 with secondary market offers, etc.

Except you discount any sort of anecdotal evidence that isn't your own. I'm extrapolating from the individual data points that are siting in front of us. Clearly that isn't persuasive but given that every class before us has underperformed the consensus about how well we did, the fact that people who report striking out seem to be statistically in line with the total number of people who actually strike out , and the anecdotal evidence that literally everyone except you and your sunshine ass seem to be reporting tells me that your evidence is basically bullshit.

The class of 2013 had less than half of people find jobs through OCI. They reported the same rosy information that you're reporting now. "Everyone did well. Nobody is worried. Everything is going to be fine." Since then, legal hiring has decreased. Your expectation that people who have been paying attention should believe that "this year is different because you have friends that did well" is both naive and stupid. The fact that your class is smaller and your GPA changed are relevant factors, but aren't dispositive of literally anything. So show me something to make me believe you're not full of shit.

Relax

[scaliaantics]

Maybe you struck out because you type (and presumably talk) like an arrogant soulless robot.

Yeah I didn't strike out.

[Anonymous User]

The back and forth. Lulz.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe you struck out because you type (and presumably talk) like an arrogant soulless robot.

Yeah I didn't strike out.

You probably should've.

[oblig.lawl.ref]

You guys are really making Michigan look like a bunch of asshats. Nobody knows how the class did. Your "evidence" is stupid.

[BuckinghamB]

The Michigan Difference

I hate law students

ETA: just wait until #s are released. Until then anecdotes are useless. I thought everyone did great at OCI my 2L year too, but now I think the numbers may not be so great

[Anonymous User]

The Michigan Difference

I hate law students

ETA: just wait until #s are released. Until then anecdotes are useless. I thought everyone did great at OCI my 2L year too, but now I think the numbers may not be so great

Weird. It's almost like I spent all last night saying that you don't know what it's like until you're a year removed from OCI. Just like how the 3Ls don't really know where they will fall until a year from now.

[scaliaantics]

The Michigan Difference

I hate law students

ETA: just wait until #s are released. Until then anecdotes are useless. I thought everyone did great at OCI my 2L year too, but now I think the numbers may not be so great

Weird. It's almost like I spent all last night saying that you don't know what it's like until you're a year removed from OCI. Just like how the 3Ls don't really know where they will fall until a year from now.

Nah you used the word retard so you deserved to get no offered.

[JRD]

You guys are making Michigan look terrible. Some younger Biglaw attorneys (including those that do CB interviews) check TLS from time to time to see how their firm/school is being discussed. I would be a little more careful about how you come across. It can not only negatively affect you, but it can negatively affect the way that interviewers see Michigan students in general.

Take it or leave it, but as a current Biglaw attorney (and frequent CB interviewer) and Michigan alum, you're shooting yourself in the foot.