Columbia EIP 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Got 22/30. 2/22 were in CA, rest in NY. I had 3 other bids on CA that failed, which kind of surprised me because they were pretty high up on the list.

Heard someone got 29/30, 25 of which were in NY.

[israel]

26/30 bid Boston and NY primarily

Misses:

3. K & E
8. Cooley
20. Holland Knight
23. Covington

[Anonymous User]

Sorry to those who got less interviews that they would have wanted, but props to those who killed it (with the help of secondary markets it seems!) I'll be dropping quite a few of the high end NYC firms soon so hopefully some people can pick them up. (Thinking of letting go Skadden, DPW, Simpson, Debevoise, Weil, and Kirkland.)

[Anonymous User]

Only got 12 interviews, but got all but 2 of the firms that I actually care about and I already have a V20 offer so it worked out.

For the two that I didn't get I immediately submitted an application via the firms' websites. Wanted to follow up with an email to the recruiting director, but couldn't find an email. Does anyone know if those things are posted on firms websites or whether you have to get them at firm events? Alternatively, is there a better way to try and get a screener without any real contacts at the firms?

FWIW, here are my misses (only got 2 interview out of top 10 bids, think I may have tried to squeeze in an extra interview and ended up loosing out):
Boies Schiller 1
Kirkland & Ellis 2
Sidley Austin 4
Paul Hastings 6
Debovoise 7
Jones Day 8
White & Case 9
Weil Gotshal 10
Ropes & Gray 14
Cleary 16
Cadwalader 21
Kramer Levin 22
O’Melveny 23
Orrick 24
Cooley 26
Curtis Mallet 28
Wilson Sonsini 29
Wachtell 30

Think I posted my list earlier as Publius for any future TLSers.

[Anonymous User]

I wish we could switch slots with each other. Have a couple that happen to be only 5 minutes apart, and judging by the room numbers, they're not close. Don't know if I should drop one or try to sprint it.

[Anonymous User]

I wish we could switch slots with each other. Have a couple that happen to be only 5 minutes apart, and judging by the room numbers, they're not close. Don't know if I should drop one or try to sprint it.

That sucks. Good luck, man, I don't know what I'd do.

I got lucky. I got a solid amount of interviews and I have just one instance where the interviews are 5 minutes apart, but they're only two floors apart so it's not too bad. I'm more worried that one might keep me slightly over the end, and that delay'd make it hard to sprint between interviews...

[Anonymous User]

I wish we could switch slots with each other. Have a couple that happen to be only 5 minutes apart, and judging by the room numbers, they're not close. Don't know if I should drop one or try to sprint it.

That sucks. Good luck, man, I don't know what I'd do.

I got lucky. I got a solid amount of interviews and I have just one instance where the interviews are 5 minutes apart, but they're only two floors apart so it's not too bad. I'm more worried that one might keep me slightly over the end, and that delay'd make it hard to sprint between interviews...

I think that interviews will generally end right on schedule as there is someone interviewing right after you. When I did the practice interview OCS told me that someone will be outside the door and knocking right at the 20 minute mark.

Re OP: Unless you aren't interested in the firm, I wouldn't suggest dropping it. Familiarize yourself with where the rooms are ahead of time so you know exactly where to go and you should probably be fine. It just seems that more interviews (even if it starts a minute or two late) is better than less interviews and the interviewer will probably understand if you just got out of another interview.

[Anonymous User]

29/30, all NY.

[Anonymous User]

At this point, I'm so anti-EIP that if the firm I'd split with in DC doesn't respond to my mass mail before 4pm tomorrow, I'm just gonna cancel that interview and get the hell outta dodge. This stuff is too stressful.

[Anonymous User]

At this point, I'm so anti-EIP that if the firm I'd split with in DC doesn't respond to my mass mail before 4pm tomorrow, I'm just gonna cancel that interview and get the hell outta dodge. This stuff is too stressful.

if you want to work at that firm, I wouldn't take their failure to respond to an email or online application as an indictment of your chances at landing a CB from your EIP interview. Mass mail is far less predictable and so much less common so your EIP interview will serve as a much better opportunity to receive an offer anyway

[Anonymous User]

28/30. For posterity's sake, the hits and misses are below. This is, I think, essentially the only list below-median students (or conservative median-ish students) should use, with the exception of minor tweaks.

Hits: Baker & McKenzie (1), Mayer Brown (2), Paul Hastings (3), hogan lovells (4), Kaye Scholer (5), White & Case (6), Clifford Chance (7), Schulte (9), Katten Muchin (10), Hughes Hubbard (11), Cahill (12), Greenberg Traurig (13), Chadbourne (14), Cadwalader (15), Kramer Levin (16), Fried Frank (17), Orrick (18), Holland & Knight (19), Pillsbury Winthrop (20), Dentons (21), Dechert (22), Duval & Stachenfeld (23), Stroock & Stroock (24), Curtis Mallet (25), Seward & Kissel (26), Hunton & Williams (27), Schiff Hardin (28), Mintz Levin (30)

Misses:
-Alston & Bird (8). They were 36/8 last year with a first failed bid of 5. They were going to 20 this year, so I thought I could drop them a little bit to make sure my top seven were solid. Almost every firm with an FFB in the top 10 is overbid at 200+%, so I thought I'd be okay. Guess not. If someone can share where they got Alston, that would be helpful.
-Sutherland (29). I was pretty sure they wouldn't be overbid because they were 8/20, but I overlooked the fact that they cut their slots to half a schedule, which left me vulnerable to them getting 11+ bids. Just a stupid oversight on my part that cost me a bid.

--Amory Blaine

[Anonymous User]

(Quoting myself)^

In past years, I know people posted their misses just to give an indication for future 2Ls reading through the thread. Not sure if that was helpful, but for what it's worth here were mine:

3. Sidney
5. Paul Hastings
7. White & Case
9. Weil
10. Jones Day
11. Clifford Chance
13. Milbank
14. Ropes & Gray
16. Willkie
18. Schulte
20. Akin Gump
24. Goodwin Procter )
25. O’Melveny & Myers LLP
26. Dechert LLP
27. Hughes Hubbard
28. Wachtell

I got Paul Hastings at 3 and White & Case at 6. May have been more popular than in years past.

You put clifford chance, Schulte and Dechert at what was, I think, their exact first failed bid spot last year, so there was basically zero margin for error there. And Hughes Hubbard went from 120 interviews last year to 60 this year, so they had to be way higher.

FWIW, here are my misses (only got 2 interview out of top 10 bids, think I may have tried to squeeze in an extra interview and ended up loosing out):
Boies Schiller 1
Kirkland & Ellis 2
Sidley Austin 4
Paul Hastings 6
Debovoise 7
Jones Day 8
White & Case 9
Weil Gotshal 10
Ropes & Gray 14
Cleary 16
Cadwalader 21
Kramer Levin 22
O’Melveny 23
Orrick 24
Cooley 26
Curtis Mallet 28
Wilson Sonsini 29
Wachtell 30

Think I posted my list earlier as Publius for any future TLSers.

Yeah, it looks like you just tried to squeeze one too many in. It's a small mistake but it can have a big cascade effect that can cost you a lot of interviews. I think this is the number one error of most people with fewer than 20 interviews. With an appropriate "cushion" for each of your interviews there's no reason not to get at least 23-25 (unless you have a REALLY aggressive bidlist and are okay with rolling the dice to try and get a whole lot of Shearmans, Sidleys and Skaddens. Now that we have the first failed bid data, getting 23-25 should be somewhat academic. OCS tried to convince me that 15 was a more "realistic" number--very happy I never for a second believed them.

--Amory Blaine

[Anonymous User]

bold is what i got,

i got fucked i think. i tried to squeeze in sidley and i missed most of my mid bids

13/30

1 kirkland and ellis 3
2 shearman & sterling 3
3 sidley austin 4
4 skadden arps 7
5 paul hastings 8
6 debevoise 9
7 wilmerhale 9
8 white and case 10
9 weil 11
10 jones day 11
11 latham 13
12 milbank 13
13 s&C 15
14 mofo 16
15 cleary 17
16 DPW 21
17 cahill 19
18 covington 20
19 PW 21
20 freshfields 20
21 ropes 18
22 caldwalader 22
23 cravath 26
24 omelveny 25
25 chadbourne 24
26 simpson *
27 wachtell 26
28 dla piper 30
29 perkins coie *
30 boies corporate *

[Anonymous User]

For posterity.

Didn't get:

Skadden LA (19)
Sheppard LA (23)
Cravath (30)

I have 4 interviews which have 5 a min window and are over 10 floors apart. Anyone have any suggestions other than scouting out the area?

[Anonymous User]

FWIW Sidley (or Kirkland) fucked me too, although since I had secondaries in there I got more total interviews than some. Those firms need to add another 20 spots or something.
Missed:

Kirkland 2
Sidley 4
Skadden 5 (pretty upset about this)
White & Case 8
Jones Day 10
Paul Hastings LA 17
Akin Gump 20 (not at all surprised by this one)

- little finger

[Anonymous User]

What kind of movement can be expected during add/drop

[Anonymous User]

What kind of movement can be expected during add/drop

Probably not much in the top NY shops unless a number of people got pre-EIP offers they'd take over most others. Secondary markets will probably be much more flexible since the majority of bidders went NYC centric for the sake of ensuring a good number of offer opportunities.

[Anonymous User]

Transfer student here - got 18/30 but got screwed in the 5-15 range, probably because I bid too aggressively at the top end.

Anyway, just wondering what most people approach the cancellation period. Obviously I have to whittle it down a little, but what's a good number?

[Anonymous User]

What kind of movement can be expected during add/drop

I'll be dropping Boies Schiller, Covington, Weil, and Willkie. I'm dropping these four because they fall extremely close to firms I really, truly want, and I don't want to risk missing those/would rather spend another 20 minutes preparing for them. The day Boies, Covington, and Willkie are on is also the same day as another firm I really want but didn't get, so I'm hoping that gives me more possible time slots to add the other firm.

That's my own reasoning for adding/dropping. I have enough total interviews right now (I got 28/30, and have an offer) that I don't have to worry as much about reducing my odds. I wish we could trade interviews, or at least time slots with other people.

[Tiago Splitter]

Transfer student here - got 18/30 but got screwed in the 5-15 range, probably because I bid too aggressively at the top end.

Anyway, just wondering what most people approach the cancellation period. Obviously I have to whittle it down a little, but what's a good number?

If anything you should be trying to add interviews. You certainly shouldn't purposely lower your total.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Transfer student here - got 18/30 but got screwed in the 5-15 range, probably because I bid too aggressively at the top end.

Anyway, just wondering what most people approach the cancellation period. Obviously I have to whittle it down a little, but what's a good number?

If anything you should be trying to add interviews. You certainly shouldn't purposely lower your total.

+1. The only reason to drop an interview is if you already have an offer from Firm A and are 100% confident you would choose it over Firm B.

[Anonymous User]

damn, I only got 22. K&E, Sidley and Skadden must have been really high on everyone's list cause I missed them as #2-4. What a waste.

ETA: just saw the 16 & 13 above me after I posted, sry wasn't trying to be insensitive.

Yeah, sad about Skadden—I thought with the added interviews it would work out. Though it's worse also not having Sidley, since the whole point of bidding Sidley high was to have a backup for firms like Skadden

Anyways, my list, bold means I got it at that slot. Not particularly surprised at the 18-23 clump, but what can you do.

1. Kirkland & Ellis
2. Shearman & Sterling
3. Sidley Austin
4. Gibson Dunn
5. Skadden
6. Debevoise
7. White & Case
8. Weil Gotshal
9. Clifford Chance
10. Milbank
11. Latham
12. Sullivan & Cromwell
13. Willkie Farr
14. Ropes & Gray
15. Davis Polk
16. Freshfields
17. Cleary Gottlieb
18. Paul Weiss
19. Akin Gump
20. Fried Frank
21. Cadwalader
22. Covington
23. Goodwin Procter
24. Cravath
25. Dechert
26. Simpson Thatcher
27. Wachtell
28. Skadden (London)
29. Kirkland & Ellis ‐ Cap. Markets (London)
30. Paul Weiss (London)

[Anonymous User]

Why are some people just posting # of interviews? That's useless info--anybody can make a 30/30 bidlist by bidding on a lot of * firms.

I missed:

Cahill @ 18
Chadbourne @ 23
Goodwin P @ 24
Hughes Hubbard @ 26
DLA Piper @ 28
Perkins @ 29

For posterity's sake, Cahill is a good example of a bidding mistake. Not selective, large class size, but I stupidly bid it at 18. It also doesn't allow split summers, which is something I'm considering, so it might have been a wasted interview anyway.

-psyduck

[Anonymous User]

Bidlist for posterity's sake, interviews in bold. 17/30, all NYC offices.


Kirkland & Ellis 1
Sidley Austin 2
Mayer Brown 3
Debevoise & Plimpton 4
White & Case 5
hogan lovells 6
Milbank Tweed Hadley & McCloy 7
Arnold & Porter 8
Jones Day 9
Allen & Overy 10
Clifford Chance 11
Morrison & Foerster 12
Willkie Farr & Gallagher 13
Schulte Roth & Zabel 14
Cahill Gordon & Reindel 15
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld 16
Ropes & Gray 17
Greenberg Traurig 18
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson 19
Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft 20
Holland & Knight 21
Baker Botts 22
Arent Fox 23
Goodwin Procter 24
O'Melveny & Myers 25
Cooley 26
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe 27
Hughes Hubbard 28
Baker & Hostetler 29
Perkins Coie 30

[Anonymous User]

Bidlist for posterity's sake, interviews in bold. 17/30, all NYC offices.


Kirkland & Ellis 1
Sidley Austin 2
Mayer Brown 3
Debevoise & Plimpton 4
White & Case 5
hogan lovells 6
Milbank Tweed Hadley & McCloy 7
Arnold & Porter 8
Jones Day 9
Allen & Overy 10
Clifford Chance 11
Morrison & Foerster 12
Willkie Farr & Gallagher 13
Schulte Roth & Zabel 14
Cahill Gordon & Reindel 15
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld 16
Ropes & Gray 17
Greenberg Traurig 18
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson 19
Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft 20
Holland & Knight 21
Baker Botts 22
Arent Fox 23
Goodwin Procter 24
O'Melveny & Myers 25
Cooley 26
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe 27
Hughes Hubbard 28
Baker & Hostetler 29
Perkins Coie 30