Milbank/Davis Polk/Cravath Scale: NYC to 215-415k Forum

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

And so “in this economy” has been fully rehabilitated. Only took 14 years.

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

(1) Objectively, ppl at Cadwalader are worse off than those at elite firms. Sure the market is hot now, but come on
(2) Not all v10's are on equal footing re prestige (*cough* whoever presumably took the shot at KE taking 16-year-olds with a pulse). But even they are better off than cwt
Hard to believe this is even an argument...

My point being that most who "flounder out" at Cadwalader can typically land on their feet at some V50, investment bank, etc. Also I don't think there's really anything objective about this?

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

(1) Objectively, ppl at Cadwalader are worse off than those at elite firms. Sure the market is hot now, but come on
(2) Not all v10's are on equal footing re prestige (*cough* whoever presumably took the shot at KE taking 16-year-olds with a pulse). But even they are better off than cwt
Hard to believe this is even an argument...

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

[Anonymous User]

Cadwalader partners working hard itt to convince people their associates aren't sent to the glue factory when they leave the firm.

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

(1) Objectively, ppl at Cadwalader are worse off than those at elite firms. Sure the market is hot now, but come on
(2) Not all v10's are on equal footing re prestige (*cough* whoever presumably took the shot at KE taking 16-year-olds with a pulse). But even they are better off than cwt
Hard to believe this is even an argument...

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

This is gold.

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

(1) Objectively, ppl at Cadwalader are worse off than those at elite firms. Sure the market is hot now, but come on
(2) Not all v10's are on equal footing re prestige (*cough* whoever presumably took the shot at KE taking 16-year-olds with a pulse). But even they are better off than cwt
Hard to believe this is even an argument...

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

YES. Nothing in this ttt rant suggests otherwise.

[Anonymous User]

"New York's oldest law firm" amazing

[Anonymous User]

Cadwalader partners working hard itt to convince people their associates aren't sent to the glue factory when they leave the firm.

The glue factory is a welcome reprieve from the CMBS mines.

[Anonymous User]

Lmfao that CWT rant has big "Yale and Columbia" energy

[Anonymous User]

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

Uhh, have you looked at the bios of the Boies Schiller attorneys who lateralled to Cadwalader? Take a gander and you'll see something pretty noticeable.

[Anonymous User]

you guys are upsetting John Lambert Cadwalader

[Anonymous User]

On the other hand, if you flounder out of Cadwalader where are you going.

Do you seriously think that people at Cadwalader don't have decent options, especially in this economy?

(1) Objectively, ppl at Cadwalader are worse off than those at elite firms. Sure the market is hot now, but come on
(2) Not all v10's are on equal footing re prestige (*cough* whoever presumably took the shot at KE taking 16-year-olds with a pulse). But even they are better off than cwt
Hard to believe this is even an argument...

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

I am dying over here. Please tell us more, TLS's oldest posTTTer

[Anonymous User]

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

Uhh, have you looked at the bios of the Boies Schiller attorneys who lateralled to Cadwalader? Take a gander and you'll see something pretty noticeable.

Don't know if I'm just thick but I'm not following this. Any hints?

[randomthrowaway]

"So there was this one time, I caught the ferry over to New Jersey. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to New Netherlands, which is what they called New Jersey in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I? Oh, yeah — the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...."

- John Lambert Cadwalader

[Anonymous User]

Different CWT associate. Those who have lateraled within the last year have all gone to firms within the V20 (many to V5). Prior to COVID the majority went to firms in the V30, others went in-house or took a different career path. Of course it’s all group dependent but would not say it’s difficult to “land on your feet” after leaving CWT. The hate on CWT is getting old and outdated

[Anonymous User]

Lmfao that CWT rant has big "Yale and Columbia" energy

"The one yalie who somehow strikes out only to end up at CWT"

[Anonymous User]

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

Uhh, have you looked at the bios of the Boies Schiller attorneys who lateralled to Cadwalader? Take a gander and you'll see something pretty noticeable.

Elaborate

[Anonymous User]

Dying laughing right now. Go for it Cadwalader associates you can do it lmfao

[Anonymous User]

Lol, you’re telling us that all of the boies Schiller associates who lateraled to cadwalader are now worse off? You’re saying that a 60 year old judge won’t hire them from New York’s oldest law firm because their vault ranking is too low? You’re saying their Morgan Stanley is fine hiring them and working with them as outside counsel but won’t take them in house? You’re saying that the rainmakers at cwt are putting their client relationships at stake by not training their associates and hiring morons? In my year at my t14 I knew enough people who struck out at OCI to fill half of cadwalader’s summer class—people are just upset that we have down to earth partners who know that there is more to ability to succeed in the law beyond where you went to school.

Uhh, have you looked at the bios of the Boies Schiller attorneys who lateralled to Cadwalader? Take a gander and you'll see something pretty noticeable.

Don't know if I'm just thick but I'm not following this. Any hints?

I figured they were trying to say that the attorneys were somehow deficient or went to shitty schools. First person I came across went to Cornell Law and worked at Lehman and as a managing director at Goldman. Is this what you meant?

[Anonymous User]

Look at what DPW is doing to us

[Anonymous User]

No substantive hate about the quality of CWT as a firm. Just wanted to say though that the turnover there has to be high. My first virtual law firm event was in spring and CWT sent 6 associates. By OCI, all 6 of those associates were gone. I know turnover is high at every firm, but all 6? In the matter of months? And at least 4 of them were pretty junior. I reached out to one on linkedin because they went to my school and after they basically told me to stay away.

[Anonymous User]

Look at what DPW is doing to us

For real. Every thread in this forum is full of vitriol right now, we're being more unhelpful and snarky than usual to these little law school kids. DPW stop promoting this hazing.

[Anonymous User]

Lmfao that CWT rant has big "Yale and Columbia" energy

"The one yalie who somehow strikes out only to end up at CWT"

Can we go after white & case next? Every firm has its turn on TLS. I'm tired of going after K&E and CWT. Let's talk about how the biggest chads and lowest IQs end up at white & case.

[Anonymous User]

Different CWT associate. Those who have lateraled within the last year have all gone to firms within the V20 (many to V5). Prior to COVID the majority went to firms in the V30, others went in-house or took a different career path. Of course it’s all group dependent but would not say it’s difficult to “land on your feet” after leaving CWT. The hate on CWT is getting old and outdated

Another CWT associate here. CWT doesn't do itself any favors. If you don't want the internet hate, don't be the first to cut associate salaries, the one to cut them the most and the last to restore (most associates). The firm has plenty of decent practices (obviously some better than others), but they tend to be fairly niche. That works for some people and not others. That said, I turned down lateral offers at two different V10s because it made more sense to stay here in my particular circumstances. But generally, it has always felt like a firm that caters more to the partners' interests than associates' (even moreso than other big firms). And that's reflected by its reputation.

[Anonymous User]

I'm tired of the same punching bags over and over again. Can we pick on some random firm that never gets much attention on here?