HLS EIP 2015 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Has anybody heard from Susman, Boies, Keker or Munger?

Deciding between 2 of the 4. What's your thought process?

[Anonymous User]

Sidley DC offer. CB was this week.

[Anonymous User]

Does a 1L summer employer offer (to split the summer) count as one of the five live offers we are able to hold open?

[TripTrip]

Does a 1L summer employer offer (to split the summer) count as one of the five live offers we are able to hold open?

Dude WTF.

Put on your decision-making hat, reject a freaking firm, and free up some offer slots for other anxious students. There is no reason to hold open six offers. You're not going to go to six firms.

[Anonymous User]

Cravath: CB, offer, same day (8/26).

Any post-2Ls reading this thread willing to comment on decision between CSM and DPW if interest is in financial regulatory practice? (Dodd-Frank, Basel III?) DPW highlights this practice area on their website, hard to know re CSM. Also can't make head or tails of CSM's rotation system -- seems high-risk high-reward, while DPW seems more amorphous. Cravath potentially more "prestigious" (i.e., for exit opportunities down the road); DPW potentially has "nicer culture." Anyone else deciding between these two have any thoughts?

[Anonymous User]

Not HLS, but I worked at a financial institution before law school and we used the DPW DF tracker which was widely known to be the industry standard. Obviously, this is not the same as actual client engagement, and maybe Cravath pulls equal weight when it comes to bespoke advising, but I'd go ahead and say that DPW is the real deal on this.

[Anonymous User]

Cravath: CB, offer, same day (8/26).

Any post-2Ls reading this thread willing to comment on decision between CSM and DPW if interest is in financial regulatory practice? (Dodd-Frank, Basel III?) DPW highlights this practice area on their website, hard to know re CSM. Also can't make head or tails of CSM's rotation system -- seems high-risk high-reward, while DPW seems more amorphous. Cravath potentially more "prestigious" (i.e., for exit opportunities down the road); DPW potentially has "nicer culture." Anyone else deciding between these two have any thoughts?

chose DPW over CSM for a related practice area last year. huge HLS class at both firms though (HLS was the largest class at both firms this summer) and the work/exit ops are largely interchangeable; it's really a culture and work assignment distinction.

[Anonymous User]

chose DPW over CSM for a related practice area last year. huge HLS class at both firms though (HLS was the largest class at both firms this summer) and the work/exit ops are largely interchangeable; it's really a culture and work assignment distinction.

Do you think CSM associates tend to have to work more than DPW associates (both in summer and full-time) as a result of the rotation system? The theory is that b/c you're supervised closely by specific partners in your current rotation group, there's nowhere to hide: if that partner gives you an assignment, there's no saying you're too busy with other assignments. At DPW, alternatively, you can decline some work if you're legitimately busy with other work b/c the source of the assignments isn't as concentrated in a few people giving it to you. Or is this a case of over-thinking it?

As for culture, is it really that different? Are DPW people noticeably "nicer" or "more pleasant" than at CSM? Or is this a matter of what type of "nice" works for what type of person?

[lawbeahs]

Does a 1L summer employer offer (to split the summer) count as one of the five live offers we are able to hold open?

Dude WTF.

Put on your decision-making hat, reject a freaking firm, and free up some offer slots for other anxious students. There is no reason to hold open six offers. You're not going to go to six firms.

This. "Can I hold open 35 offers if 30 or them are non-V50"? Just STFU and pick a firm.

[Anonymous User]

Does a 1L summer employer offer (to split the summer) count as one of the five live offers we are able to hold open?

Dude WTF.

Put on your decision-making hat, reject a freaking firm, and free up some offer slots for other anxious students. There is no reason to hold open six offers. You're not going to go to six firms.

This. "Can I hold open 35 offers if 30 or them are non-V50"? Just STFU and pick a firm.

At the very least, just narrow down to two or three firms and decline offers from others. Every law student is smart enough to do that.

[Anonymous User]

Cravath: CB, offer, same day (8/26).

Any post-2Ls reading this thread willing to comment on decision between CSM and DPW if interest is in financial regulatory practice? (Dodd-Frank, Basel III?) DPW highlights this practice area on their website, hard to know re CSM. Also can't make head or tails of CSM's rotation system -- seems high-risk high-reward, while DPW seems more amorphous. Cravath potentially more "prestigious" (i.e., for exit opportunities down the road); DPW potentially has "nicer culture." Anyone else deciding between these two have any thoughts?

One of the banking partners at Cravath told me they don't really have a financial regulatory practice. Because of the complexity involved, regulatory practice is heavily driven by partners with lots of experience, which doesn't really work with the Cravath model.

[Anonymous User]

chose DPW over CSM for a related practice area last year. huge HLS class at both firms though (HLS was the largest class at both firms this summer) and the work/exit ops are largely interchangeable; it's really a culture and work assignment distinction.

Do you think CSM associates tend to have to work more than DPW associates (both in summer and full-time) as a result of the rotation system? The theory is that b/c you're supervised closely by specific partners in your current rotation group, there's nowhere to hide: if that partner gives you an assignment, there's no saying you're too busy with other assignments. At DPW, alternatively, you can decline some work if you're legitimately busy with other work b/c the source of the assignments isn't as concentrated in a few people giving it to you. Or is this a case of over-thinking it?

As for culture, is it really that different? Are DPW people noticeably "nicer" or "more pleasant" than at CSM? Or is this a matter of what type of "nice" works for what type of person?

I wouldn't look at it as where you're going to get more work overall. Both firms will be a tremendous amount of hours and work. You will probably have a little more flexibility at Davis Polk though (since you can shift work between multiple people and can actually say you're busy), and part of the culture is to make some effort to avoid fucking you over, or at least apologize when they do and recognize it, as opposed to CSM. That being said, I think both firms have nice people. You're just more likely to get receive sympathy at one, and more likely to get chewed out at the other.

Here though, re: financial regulatory, it seems like Davis Polk just has the stronger practice hands down. In other areas, like litigation, it's a toss-up and the culture factors play a huge role. And in some areas, like public M&A, Cravath has the more notable group.

[Anonymous User]

Cravath: CB, offer, same day (8/26).

Any post-2Ls reading this thread willing to comment on decision between CSM and DPW if interest is in financial regulatory practice? (Dodd-Frank, Basel III?) DPW highlights this practice area on their website, hard to know re CSM. Also can't make head or tails of CSM's rotation system -- seems high-risk high-reward, while DPW seems more amorphous. Cravath potentially more "prestigious" (i.e., for exit opportunities down the road); DPW potentially has "nicer culture." Anyone else deciding between these two have any thoughts?

One of the banking partners at Cravath told me they don't really have a financial regulatory practice. Because of the complexity involved, regulatory practice is heavily driven by partners with lots of experience, which doesn't really work with the Cravath model.

Randy Guynn DPW. Top of the field.

[Anonymous User]

Hogan Lovells DC ding. CB 8/18.

[Anonymous User]

Waiting to hear back after CBs is easily the worst part of EIP

Especially when you don't have that many and other HLS students start to hear back from the ones you did go on.

[Anonymous User]

McKinsey Round 1 (post-IWIA) email just sent. It includes a full list of people moving on, for case practising purposes, so I think a rejection email will be sent shortly/has been sent.

[Anonymous User]

(double post)

[Anonymous User]

Also, I just got the BCG 2nd round call. They seem to be doing it office by office instead of centrally like McK.

[Anonymous User]

Waiting to hear back after CBs is easily the worst part of EIP

Especially when you don't have that many and other HLS students start to hear back from the ones you did go on.

"Some say purgatory is worse than hell."

-This Anon

[Anonymous User]

Also, I just got the BCG 2nd round call. They seem to be doing it office by office instead of centrally like McK.

Any email yet, btw?

[Anonymous User]

Also, I just got the BCG 2nd round call. They seem to be doing it office by office instead of centrally like McK.

Any email yet, btw?

Yeah, but it was just a date confirmation after the office recruiter called separately to schedule the second round time.

[Legal Eagle87]

???

[Anonymous User]

McKinsey Round 1 (post-IWIA) email just sent. It includes a full list of people moving on, for case practising purposes, so I think a rejection email will be sent shortly/has been sent.

Did you do the IWIA on Wed or Thurs? Can you PM me?

Will reply publicly just in case anyone is wondering: I did my IWIA on Weds, but I see people on the list that definitely did it on Thursday. Also, it looks like all-but-one of the people in my two breakout sessions made it, so it doesn't look like a super-selective stage (but small sample size caveat, etc.).

ETA: Actually, I just remembered a previous post that there were 15/15 2Ls/3Ls invited to last year's IWIA. This year's breakdown is 7/8 2Ls/3Ls past IWIA, which obviously makes it a ~50% cut if the invitation numbers held true.

[Anonymous User]

ETA: Actually, I just remembered a previous post that there were 15/15 2Ls/3Ls invited to last year's IWIA. This year's breakdown is 7/8 2Ls/3Ls past IWIA, which obviously makes it a ~50% cut if the invitation numbers held true.

In a fit of overdoing the analysis: I counted out the number of HLS JDs at the IWIA session I was at, multiplied it by four, and divided that by the number of HLS JDs listed in the document they sent out. Without giving away which session I was in, I got ~2.

So 50% seems correct.

[Anonymous User]

Cravath: CB, offer, same day (8/26).

Any post-2Ls reading this thread willing to comment on decision between CSM and DPW if interest is in financial regulatory practice? (Dodd-Frank, Basel III?) DPW highlights this practice area on their website, hard to know re CSM. Also can't make head or tails of CSM's rotation system -- seems high-risk high-reward, while DPW seems more amorphous. Cravath potentially more "prestigious" (i.e., for exit opportunities down the road); DPW potentially has "nicer culture." Anyone else deciding between these two have any thoughts?

One of the banking partners at Cravath told me they don't really have a financial regulatory practice. Because of the complexity involved, regulatory practice is heavily driven by partners with lots of experience, which doesn't really work with the Cravath model.

Suppose I only intend to work at a firm (either CSM or DPW) for 2-3 years. Would it be fair to say, based on the above observation about the complexity involved with regulatory practice, that the presence or absence of this practice area at the firm shouldn't really affect my decision re which to go to? (On the theory that you'd only really do this kind of work well past your junior associate years.) Or can DPW associates "rotate" into this practice area early on?