Doctor v. Esquire Forum

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

She has a doctorate in education which is a joke of a degree (takes 2 years weekends only) but it's standard for people in education like principals or cc teachers to go by Dr with a DEd. Conservatives decided to troll; liberals called them sexists, everyone had a fun news cycle playing their traditional roles.

She did at least write a 136 pp dissertation for the degree, which is more than JDs do.

Mods, just lock this thread.

Agreed. It would be best put out of its misery.

That dissertation involved less critical thinking than a median 1L exam at Cooley.

Less value to society too. Wasn’t her thesis on how to keep dumb students in community colleges (so they can keep being indebted with no skills)?

Totally agree that “Dr. Jill” is not intelligent, nor is her academic work impressive. But isn’t community college a more affordable path to either skilled employment (police, nurse, etc.) or a four year degree?

[Anonymous User]

That dissertation involved less critical thinking than a median 1L exam at Cooley.

Less value to society too. Wasn’t her thesis on how to keep dumb students in community colleges (so they can keep being indebted with no skills)?

Thanks for your charming classist ignorant takes, keep them coming! Your bitterness is life-giving.

Lol, you do know the mouth breathers trying to play football at junior “college” pocket pell grant money for it right? And fail out six weeks in once it clears? The whole thing is a charade and hires midwits like Jill. At least a Cooley midterm taker doesn’t demand we call him or her a doctor.

Poor troll, so mad.

Not mad. If we have to pay for the proles then I’m glad they have a poor track record.

Never mind, this isn’t Dooley. Dooley had a certain je ne sais quoi about his approach that made even his most outlandish statements seem believable—truly a rare vintage of TLS troll. This is comparatively amateur hour, like Etruscan red-figure pottery. 2/10, points for effort.

[aspiring0L]

Wasn't there a very recent controversy about Dr Jill Biden?

Or am I listening to the Ben Shapiro podcast too much.

She has a doctorate in education which is a joke of a degree (takes 2 years weekends only) but it's standard for people in education like principals or cc teachers to go by Dr with a DEd. Conservatives decided to troll; liberals called them sexists, everyone had a fun news cycle playing their traditional roles.

She did at least write a 136 pp dissertation for the degree, which is more than JDs do.

Mods, just lock this thread.

Agreed. It would be best put out of its misery.

That dissertation involved less critical thinking than a median 1L exam at Cooley.

Less value to society too. Wasn’t her thesis on how to keep dumb students in community colleges (so they can keep being indebted with no skills)?

Totally agree that “Dr. Jill” is not intelligent, nor is her academic work impressive. But isn’t community college a more affordable path to either skilled employment (police, nurse, etc.) or a four year degree?

If someone goes to community college for the credits to become a cop/firefighter (nurse you generally need more) then that definitely makes sense. Those are often six figure jobs where the pension blows away most high-level white collar 401(k)s. They get retirement in their 40s, gold plated health insurance at no cost, and other perks including OT. They can also do all of this when they are 20 instead of beginning their earnings in their late 20s/early 30s. Issue is that those jobs are now extremely competitive and often by examination and extensive interviews. Your average community college grad will never come close to becoming a cop or firefighter even if that was their only goal.

In terms of four year degrees, most four year degrees are useless both in the content conveyed and in the "brand name" of the institution. There are only 50 or so colleges and universities that are actually respected by movers and shakers, the rest are pretty scammy. If you can graduate from one without much debt and the start of a decent career then more power to you, but you are far and away the exception.

tl:dr community colleges and non-prestigious four year "universities" are out to get your money, with almost no incentive to ensure you can reasonably pay off the debt.

[Anonymous User]

That dissertation involved less critical thinking than a median 1L exam at Cooley.

Less value to society too. Wasn’t her thesis on how to keep dumb students in community colleges (so they can keep being indebted with no skills)?

Thanks for your charming classist ignorant takes, keep them coming! Your bitterness is life-giving.

Lol, you do know the mouth breathers trying to play football at junior “college” pocket pell grant money for it right? And fail out six weeks in once it clears? The whole thing is a charade and hires midwits like Jill. At least a Cooley midterm taker doesn’t demand we call him or her a doctor.

Poor troll, so mad.

Not mad. If we have to pay for the proles then I’m glad they have a poor track record.

Never mind, this isn’t Dooley. Dooley had a certain je ne sais quoi about his approach that made even his most outlandish statements seem believable—truly a rare vintage of TLS troll. This is comparatively amateur hour, like Etruscan red-figure pottery. 2/10, points for effort.

I don't think this is a previous troll come back to life, no comments outside this thread. Still an impressive effort to drag out a troll thread for 4 pages.

[aspiring0L]

Less value to society too. Wasn’t her thesis on how to keep dumb students in community colleges (so they can keep being indebted with no skills)?

Thanks for your charming classist ignorant takes, keep them coming! Your bitterness is life-giving.

Lol, you do know the mouth breathers trying to play football at junior “college” pocket pell grant money for it right? And fail out six weeks in once it clears? The whole thing is a charade and hires midwits like Jill. At least a Cooley midterm taker doesn’t demand we call him or her a doctor.

Poor troll, so mad.

Not mad. If we have to pay for the proles then I’m glad they have a poor track record.

Never mind, this isn’t Dooley. Dooley had a certain je ne sais quoi about his approach that made even his most outlandish statements seem believable—truly a rare vintage of TLS troll. This is comparatively amateur hour, like Etruscan red-figure pottery. 2/10, points for effort.

I don't think this is a previous troll come back to life, no comments outside this thread. Still an impressive effort to drag out a troll thread for 4 pages.

I have commented outside this thread. Pretty pathetic bunch on this forum, probably not going to law school because of it. I'd rather keep my six figure 9-5 and enjoy my early 20s.

[Anonymous User]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

[aspiring0L]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

[existentialcrisis]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

[aspiring0L]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

You ever try leaving the law though?

[existentialcrisis]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

You ever try leaving the law though?

No, to be fair.

But I think his description of the actual practice of law is a bit over the top.

Also in terms of exits, there are a lot of in house jobs that offer pretty decent pay combined with pretty decent hours, although I appreciate that that isn't what BernieTrump was looking for.

I agree that law school is a terrible decision if you aren't looking to actually be a lawyer.

[aspiring0L]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

You ever try leaving the law though?

No, to be fair.

But I think his description of the actual practice of law is a bit over the top.

Also in terms of exits, there are a lot of in house jobs that offer pretty decent pay combined with pretty decent hours, although I appreciate that that isn't what BernieTrump was looking for.

I agree that law school is a terrible decision if you aren't looking to actually be a lawyer.

What firm was he with and did he ever make partner?

[Anonymous User]

The technical answer to this question is yes - a Juris Doctor is a Doctorate of Jurisprudence.

The practical answer is no - no lawyers go by the title of Doctor, and if you use historical context, law has historically been an apprenticeship program that was only recently reset to filter through the "system" set in place by law schools (circa 1950s?). It doesn't have the same history behind the title like PHDs and (to a lesser extent) doctors.

[existentialcrisis]

probably not going to law school

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

You ever try leaving the law though?

No, to be fair.

But I think his description of the actual practice of law is a bit over the top.

Also in terms of exits, there are a lot of in house jobs that offer pretty decent pay combined with pretty decent hours, although I appreciate that that isn't what BernieTrump was looking for.

I agree that law school is a terrible decision if you aren't looking to actually be a lawyer.

What firm was he with and did he ever make partner?

No idea. Didn't he say like "V3" or something?

It was prob Sullcrom or Cravath I'd think. I feel like I recall him not wanting to make partner, no?

[aspiring0L]

Oh no! Anyway,

You dudes are painful to listen to. That BernieTrump thread is a gem and should be required reading of all top 20 university undergrads. What sort of “man” begs for mods to kill a thread like this because he’s butt hurt? I’ll keep my 9-5 six figure job and enjoy my early 20s instead of debating affirmative action on law reviews like that partner track thread.

Meh.

I don't love being a transactional lawyer and often tell people not to go to law school, but I haven't found
that BernieTrump thread to be all that accurate TBH. And I remember reading it as a 3L too.

You ever try leaving the law though?

No, to be fair.

But I think his description of the actual practice of law is a bit over the top.

Also in terms of exits, there are a lot of in house jobs that offer pretty decent pay combined with pretty decent hours, although I appreciate that that isn't what BernieTrump was looking for.

I agree that law school is a terrible decision if you aren't looking to actually be a lawyer.

What firm was he with and did he ever make partner?

No idea. Didn't he say like "V3" or something?

It was prob Sullcrom or Cravath I'd think. I feel like I recall him not wanting to make partner, no?

He deleted half his posts and only the quoted ones are preserved. Seemed he hated law enough that he'd forgo partnership for Starbucks.