Summer Classes of 2022 Edition Forum

[Anonymous User]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

Ah I meant anyone else on this board have data on this summer's v50 class compositions.

Sorry, pal. Only got deets on a V52.

Lol I wasn't trying to be elitist, just not particularly curious about small Indianapolis firms or whatever,

[Anonymous User]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

Ah I meant anyone else on this board have data on this summer's v50 class compositions.

Sorry, pal. Only got deets on a V52.

Lol I wasn't trying to be elitist, just not particularly curious about small Indianapolis firms or whatever,

Not being elitist, but also any firm in the Vault 51-100 is a country bumpkin firm not worth hearing about. I love TLS

[2013]

This thread did indeed go off the rails. It's almost like all the threads are merging into one giant shit fest.

Any other v50 classes on here?

Lol, what?

Ah I meant anyone else on this board have data on this summer's v50 class compositions.

Sorry, pal. Only got deets on a V52.

Lol I wasn't trying to be elitist, just not particularly curious about small Indianapolis firms or whatever,

Not being elitist, but also any firm in the Vault 51-100 is a country bumpkin firm not worth hearing about. I love TLS

Lol to the person who thinks V51-100 is limited go “small Indianapolis firms.” Probably a 1L who would choose K&L Gates over a market firm based on Vault ranking.

[Anonymous User]

We've seen multiple allusions to Sidley and KE chi office lists, can anyone post breakdowns???

[Anonymous User]

Was KE class breakdown posted and I missed it due to derail? Can you guys post breakdown.

Kirkland Chicago
Includes 2Ls + 1Ls

Northwestern (17) (13 2Ls / 4 1Ls)
University of Chicago (9)
Loyola Chicago (7)
Harvard (6)
Michigan (6)
Notre Dame (6)
WUSTL (5)
UIC (5)
UIUC (4)
UVA (3)
VANDERBILT (3)
MINNESOTA (3)
IOWA (3)
KENT (3)
GULC (2)
DePaul (2)
Columbia (1)
Duke (1)
University of Texas (1)
Indiana University (1)
USC (1)
Howard (1)
Boston College (1)
Ohio State (1)

[Anonymous User]

Was KE class breakdown posted and I missed it due to derail? Can you guys post breakdown.

Kirkland Chicago
Includes 2Ls + 1Ls

Northwestern (17) (13 2Ls / 4 1Ls)
University of Chicago (9)
Loyola Chicago (7)
Harvard (6)
Michigan (6)
Notre Dame (6)
WUSTL (5)
UIC (5)
UIUC (4)
UVA (3)
VANDERBILT (3)
MINNESOTA (3)
IOWA (3)
KENT (3)
GULC (2)
DePaul (2)
Columbia (1)
Duke (1)
University of Texas (1)
Indiana University (1)
USC (1)
Howard (1)
Boston College (1)
Ohio State (1)

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

[Anonymous User]

Was KE class breakdown posted and I missed it due to derail? Can you guys post breakdown.

Kirkland Chicago
Includes 2Ls + 1Ls

Northwestern (17) (13 2Ls / 4 1Ls)
University of Chicago (9)
Loyola Chicago (7)
Harvard (6)
Michigan (6)
Notre Dame (6)
WUSTL (5)
UIC (5)
UIUC (4)
UVA (3)
VANDERBILT (3)
MINNESOTA (3)
IOWA (3)
KENT (3)
GULC (2)
DePaul (2)
Columbia (1)
Duke (1)
University of Texas (1)
Indiana University (1)
USC (1)
Howard (1)
Boston College (1)
Ohio State (1)

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing other nominally "better" schools. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

this is true, though it probably helps that Kirkland, by far the largest firm in their (John Marshall’s) home market, is experiencing absolutely insane growth and tends to churn and burn through associates much faster than the vast majority of firms. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the NY office also hired quite a bit from some pretty terrible law schools

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

was a 1L at WashU, probably close to equal split between NYC and Chicago but weirdly Chi is seen as more attainable cuz limited number of NYC firms attend our OCI. 5 from WashU pretty surprising tho - historically, K&E has only taken 1 or 2 per year.

Winston is seen as a bit of a pipeline. Kirkland/Latham are seen as really tough to get with high GPA floors for screeners. Sidley/Jenner only take LCLD candidates. Mayer Brown doesn't hire out of WashU at all. Not really sure what happens after those 5 tho.

Strong points on John Marshall though. Agree about schools =/= rank within markets. Hence Fordham year after year in NYC

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

this is true, though it probably helps that Kirkland, by far the largest firm in their (John Marshall’s) home market, is experiencing absolutely insane growth and tends to churn and burn through associates much faster than the vast majority of firms. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the NY office also hired quite a bit from some pretty terrible law schools

There’s a lot of reasons to critique KE, but their interesting in recruiting beyond the “top” law schools is not one of them.

Their strategy brings more diversity to the summer associate class and the firm.

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

this is true, though it probably helps that Kirkland, by far the largest firm in their (John Marshall’s) home market, is experiencing absolutely insane growth and tends to churn and burn through associates much faster than the vast majority of firms. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the NY office also hired quite a bit from some pretty terrible law schools

There’s a lot of reasons to critique KE, but their interesting in recruiting beyond the “top” law schools is not one of them.

Their strategy brings more diversity to the summer associate class and the firm.

My comment was suggesting that it speaks perhaps more to the firm’s growth/attitude than it does to the law school; though, like you pointed out, the fact that the school is in the city helps a lot as Kansas ain’t placing 5 people there.

[Anonymous User]

Sorry this isn't an elite V50 firm

Fenwick (64 total 1Ls/2Ls, all offices)

Mountain View (20)
Santa Clara (6)
Stanford (3)
Georgetown (3)
USC (2)
Berkeley/Chicago/Columbia/Cornell/UC Davis/Harvard/Washington (1)

San Fran (18)
Berkeley (5)
UC Hastings (3)
Harvard (2)
UCLA (2)
Chicago/Columbia/UC Davis/Emory/Northwestern/WUSTL (1)

New York (17)
WUSTL (3)
Chicago (2)
Cornell (2)
Fordham (2)
Berkeley/Duke/Emory/NYU/Osgoode/Pace/UNC/Vandy (1)

Santa Monica (4)
UCLA (2)
USC (2)

Seattle (4)
Washington (4)

[Anonymous User]

Sorry this isn't an elite V50 firm

Fenwick (64 total 1Ls/2Ls, all offices)

Mountain View (20)
Santa Clara (6)
Stanford (3)
Georgetown (3)
USC (2)
Berkeley/Chicago/Columbia/Cornell/UC Davis/Harvard/Washington (1)

San Fran (18)
Berkeley (5)
UC Hastings (3)
Harvard (2)
UCLA (2)
Chicago/Columbia/UC Davis/Emory/Northwestern/WUSTL (1)

New York (17)
WUSTL (3)
Chicago (2)
Cornell (2)
Fordham (2)
Berkeley/Duke/Emory/NYU/Osgoode/Pace/UNC/Vandy (1)

Santa Monica (4)
UCLA (2)
USC (2)

Seattle (4)
Washington (4)

Imagine, working at an almighty v70! Far too elite for me. - Vunranked pleb

[Anonymous User]

Have to respect that John Marshall hustle...beating out UIUC, Kent and DePaul

good washu representation too

Yeah definitely but I think a t20 placing five people in a huge SA class at what is either it's #1 or #2 target market (probably ahead of NYC I bet) is not as surprising as John Marshall (in some people's view the "worst" law school in chicago) placing five people at (in some people's view) the "best" firm in the city significantly outpacing. John Marshall has always produced some great attorneys and I can attest to that personally I'm just surprised K&E took so many this year. Shows not all law schools of similar ranks are created anywhere near the same, as a lower-ranked law school in a huge legal market with a ton of local alumni is a far, far cry from another unranked school in a market with few jobs and where it has minimal local connections

this is true, though it probably helps that Kirkland, by far the largest firm in their (John Marshall’s) home market, is experiencing absolutely insane growth and tends to churn and burn through associates much faster than the vast majority of firms. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the NY office also hired quite a bit from some pretty terrible law schools

There’s a lot of reasons to critique KE, but their interesting in recruiting beyond the “top” law schools is not one of them.

Their strategy brings more diversity to the summer associate class and the firm.

My comment was suggesting that it speaks perhaps more to the firm’s growth/attitude than it does to the law school; though, like you pointed out, the fact that the school is in the city helps a lot as Kansas ain’t placing 5 people there.

KE person here. Yes, our growth rate and the volume of work has been absolutely fucking staggering these past few years and we can’t seem to ever hire enough to fill the need. Which is obviously better than a firm that struggles to find work and has to worry about layoffs or whatever, but being inundated with client demand is exhausting for everyone at all levels. Things seem a bit more sane recently so hopefully we’re getting back to 2019-2020 levels of busy.

Back to the main topic, I haven’t seen the breakdown for K&E Texas by school yet but I know we have 104 summers across the three offices. Will post the list of schools when I see it.

[Anonymous User]

Cleary

NYC = 81
Harvard = 24
Columbia = 21
NYU = 9
UChicago = 4
Georgetown = 4
Berkeley = 4
Yale = 3
Michigan = 2
USC = 1
Stanford = 1
Penn = 1
Duke = 1
Northwestern = 1
Cornell = 1
WashU = 1
Vanderbilt = 1
Howard = 1
Osgoode = 1

DC = 15
Harvard = 2
Columbia = 2
Berkeley = 2
Yale = 1
Stanford = 1
UChicago = 1
Penn = 1
UVA = 1
Duke = 1
Georgetown = 1
University of Florida = 1
University of Iowa = 1

[Anonymous User]

Cleary
[...]
Penn = 1

I once read somewhere in the depths of TLS about a Cleary-Penn beef, and ... wow, guess that was right. Why does Cleary dislike Penn out of all proportion to its rankings, nyc proximity, etc.? Or do I have it backwards: Penn students disfavor Cleary and flock to other NYC V20s instead?

Similar observation could be made w/r/t Cleary and Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn — schools that usually make decent-ish inroads at NYC V20s, but apparently not at Cleary.

That CLS:NYU ratio looks funky too (21:9, aka 7:3). I feel like it's typically closer to 4:3 or 5:3 (CLS:NYU) at peer firms, not more than 2X CLS:NYU.

In conclusion, Cleary is weird.

ETA: obligatory aquagirl strikes again lol

[Anonymous User]

Cleary
[...]
Penn = 1

I once read somewhere in the depths of TLS about a Cleary-Penn beef, and ... wow, guess that was right. Why does Cleary dislike Penn out of all proportion to its rankings, nyc proximity, etc.? Or do I have it backwards: Penn students disfavor Cleary and flock to other NYC V20s instead?

Similar observation could be made w/r/t Cleary and Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn — schools that usually make decent-ish inroads at NYC V20s, but apparently not at Cleary.

That CLS:NYU ratio looks funky too (21:9, aka 7:3). I feel like it's typically closer to 4:3 or 5:3 (CLS:NYU) at peer firms, not more than 2X CLS:NYU.

In conclusion, Cleary is weird.

Similarly weird divide at S&C -- ~20 CLS, <10 NYU

[Anonymous User]

Cleary
[...]
Penn = 1

I once read somewhere in the depths of TLS about a Cleary-Penn beef, and ... wow, guess that was right. Why does Cleary dislike Penn out of all proportion to its rankings, nyc proximity, etc.? Or do I have it backwards: Penn students disfavor Cleary and flock to other NYC V20s instead?

Similar observation could be made w/r/t Cleary and Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn — schools that usually make decent-ish inroads at NYC V20s, but apparently not at Cleary.

That CLS:NYU ratio looks funky too (21:9, aka 7:3). I feel like it's typically closer to 4:3 or 5:3 (CLS:NYU) at peer firms, not more than 2X CLS:NYU.

In conclusion, Cleary is weird.

ETA: obligatory aquagirl strikes again lol

Penn student. General consensus is Cleary is too stuffy while not having the prestige to back it up. And with Klingsberg's move to Freshfields they're even less deserving of consideration over its V20 counterparts. I know ~5 students that were deciding between Cleary and other V20 firms and all went with V20, albeit many ranked higher. (Not that Vault ranking should be a deciding factor)

[Anonymous User]

Cleary is still viewed as quite prestigious at HLS at least. More so than Weil, Sidley, White Case, etc. Still a go-to firm for people who have good grades but don't want to do CSM or whatever.

[Anonymous User]

Incoming summer at Cleary who goes to CLS—yeah, same. Cleary is one of the most popular firms on campus (along with CSM, DPW, Skadden, PW, Debevoise, STB etc.) and routinely has ~20 CLS summers. I know Cleary has the school-snob and stuffy reputation, but FWIW they were one of the chillest and most laidback firms for me (during the recruiting process at least lol).

[Anonymous User]

Cleary
[...]
Penn = 1

I once read somewhere in the depths of TLS about a Cleary-Penn beef, and ... wow, guess that was right. Why does Cleary dislike Penn out of all proportion to its rankings, nyc proximity, etc.? Or do I have it backwards: Penn students disfavor Cleary and flock to other NYC V20s instead?

Similar observation could be made w/r/t Cleary and Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn — schools that usually make decent-ish inroads at NYC V20s, but apparently not at Cleary.

That CLS:NYU ratio looks funky too (21:9, aka 7:3). I feel like it's typically closer to 4:3 or 5:3 (CLS:NYU) at peer firms, not more than 2X CLS:NYU.

In conclusion, Cleary is weird.

ETA: obligatory aquagirl strikes again lol

Stanford also only has one. Is there a Stanford-Cleary beef?

[Anonymous User]

Cleary
[...]
Penn = 1

I once read somewhere in the depths of TLS about a Cleary-Penn beef, and ... wow, guess that was right. Why does Cleary dislike Penn out of all proportion to its rankings, nyc proximity, etc.? Or do I have it backwards: Penn students disfavor Cleary and flock to other NYC V20s instead?

Similar observation could be made w/r/t Cleary and Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn — schools that usually make decent-ish inroads at NYC V20s, but apparently not at Cleary.

That CLS:NYU ratio looks funky too (21:9, aka 7:3). I feel like it's typically closer to 4:3 or 5:3 (CLS:NYU) at peer firms, not more than 2X CLS:NYU.

In conclusion, Cleary is weird.

ETA: obligatory aquagirl strikes again lol

Stanford also only has one. Is there a Stanford-Cleary beef?

The difference is that Penn sends ~115 students to NYC vs. Stanford sends 20-25.

[Anonymous User]

Similarly weird divide at S&C -- ~20 CLS, <10 NYU

I haven’t been following this thread closely. Was the S&C list posted here already? If not, are you planning to post it?

[Anonymous User]

While we are all waiting... here's the First Year Associate Classes of 2022 Edition. Info is from ALM and might not be perfect. The selection is from firms with larger class sizes and schools that provided dense concentrations of students. Not all firms provided info.

Arnold & Porter:
CLS 7
NYU 6
HLS 5
GULC 4
Penn 4
Mich 3

Cooley:
Berk 16
HLS 8
NYU 6
NU 6
Davis 6
BU 5
GULC 4
Penn 4

Cravath:
CLS 17
NYU 13
HLS 11
GULC 5
Penn 4
Yale 4
NU 3
Berk 3
Mich 3

DPW:
CLS 24
HLS 15
NYU 13
Brooklyn 9
YLS 7
Mich 6
Cornell 5
NU 4
Berk 4
Duke 3
GULC 3
GWU 3
Penn 3

Debevoise:
CLS 22
NYU 22
Cornell 8
HLS 6
YLS 6
Howard 4
Rutgers 4
GULC 3
Mich 3
Penn 3
Cardozo 3

Gibson, Dunn:
GULC 11
CLS 9
Berk 8
Mich 8
NYU 7
HLS 6
USC 6
UVA 5
Cornell 4
U Chi 4
Penn 4

Kirkland:
U Chi 17
NU 16
HLS 15
Mich 10
UT 10
Penn 9
CLS 8
GWU 8
NYU 8
UVA 8
Vandy 8

Latham:
GULC 17
HLS 14
CLS 13
Duke 13
UVA 13
Cornell 10
NYU 9
NU 8
Berk 8
USC 8

Ropes:
BU 29
BC 21
CLS 17
HLS 15
GULC 12
NYU 10
Suffolk 9
Duke 6
Northeastern 6
UC, Irvine 6

Sidley:
NU 16
GULC 11
HLS 10
Mich 7
UT 7
UVA 7
NYU 6
U Chi 6
Vandy 5

STB:
Penn 14
Harvard 12
NYU 12
CLS 11
UVA 10
UT 8
Cornell 7
Fordham 7
Mich 6
Duke 5
NU 5
UCLA 5
GULC 4

Skadden:
HLS 19
Penn 12
CLS 10
NYU 10
GULC 9
Berk 9
U Chi 7
Fordham 4

SullCrom:
CLS 13
HLS 11
NYU 8
Stanford 5
U Chi 5
Penn 5
UT 4
UVA 4
BC 3
BU 3
Duke 3
GULC 3
NU 3
UC, Davis 3

V&E:
UT 19
CLS 7
HLS 6
GULC 4
S. Methodist 4
Houston 4
Duke 3
Fordham 3
Berk 3

Weil:
CLS 13
GULC 12
NYU 10
HLS 9
Duke 7
Fordham 7
Cornell 6
NU 6
Mich 6
Penn 6

Willkie:
GULC 14
NYU 8
UVA 7
Brooklyn 5
GWU 5
UT 5
Cornell 4
Mich 4
Fordham 3
UCLA 3
Penn 3

Wilmer:
CLS 8
GULC 7
BU 5
NYU 5
Berk 4
HLS 3
NU 3
SLS 3
Mich 3
Penn 3
YLS 3

WSGR:
GULC 8
UC, Irvine 6
Berk 5
UCLA 4
Penn 4
Duke 3
Santa Clara 3
Hastings 3
Mich 3
UVA 3
U Wash 3