Georgetown EIW - 2016 Forum

[Minnietron]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

[TLSModBot]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

[Anonymous User]

I have a 3.79 should I be using my top 10-15 bids on the popular firms like Ropes and Gray and Willkie or should I be using top bids on the most competitive firms like DPW and Cleary? Or is it safe to put the firms with 3.6 and 3.7 medians in the 20-30 range?

[TLSModBot]

Protip: If you want to nerd out about law firms and find out who's doing well financially, who hires the bigger or smaller classes, or who does well in a particular area of Corporate (Lit is a little harder to measure by financial metrics), go to the Georgetown Library website, then search for ALM Legal Intelligence (just searching for ALM should get you there). From here log in using your netID and get your paws on that sweet, sweet, Survey and Rankings data. The Corporate Scorecard and AmLaw 200 spreadsheets for this past year will give you some really granular stuff.

[qlinault]

If you have exactly a 3.6, what are the chances of getting an SA with one of the firms that have a median GPA of 3.62-3.63 (STB, DPW, Skadden, Paul Weiss, etc.)?

I would have been above their medians, but the last grade that came in screwed me...

3.6 is within the gpa range of 3.6x firms so you should probably feel comfortable bidding them but beyond that your ~chances~ depend on a myriad of factors

Basically this. GPA seems to matter more as a minimum/barrier to entry than any kind of positive helping factor.

Be really interesting and good at interviewing and you can outperform your GPA to some extent. But a terrible interviewer can almost never be saved by just a good GPA.

Very much this. Plenty of great interviewers batted out of their league.

[Anonymous User]

My list so far, would appreciate any input.

Top 60% (.06 under median) - I’d like to stay in DC but am realistic about the GPA and willing to go to any other market and maybe lateral transfer later. Litigation > Trans

hollingsworth llp (DC)
Cozen O'Connor (DC)
Keller and Heckman (DC)
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP (NY)
Chadbourne & Parke, LLP (NY)
Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman LLP (NY)
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP (NY)
Seward & Kissel LLP (NY)
White & Case (NY)
DLA Piper (DC)
Weil, Gotshal & Manges (DC)
Cahill Gordon & Reindel (NY)
venable llp (DC)
Chadbourne & Parke, LLP (DC)
Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP (NY)
Baker Hostetler LLP (NY)
Linklaters (NY)
Jones Day (DC)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (DC)
keller and heckman llp (DC)
Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP (DC)
Powers Pyles Sutter & Verville (DC)
proskauer rose llp (DC)
Morrison & Foerster (VA)

Nickname: TimeToHustle

[Anonymous User]

What are we saying is median?

[Hand]

What are we saying is median?

3.35 is median I believe

[Minnietron]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

[buckiguy_sucks]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

minnie i know you have a 4.0

[buckiguy_sucks]

Protip: If you want to nerd out about law firms and find out who's doing well financially, who hires the bigger or smaller classes, or who does well in a particular area of Corporate (Lit is a little harder to measure by financial metrics), go to the Georgetown Library website, then search for ALM Legal Intelligence (just searching for ALM should get you there). From here log in using your netID and get your paws on that sweet, sweet, Survey and Rankings data. The Corporate Scorecard and AmLaw 200 spreadsheets for this past year will give you some really granular stuff.

k&l gates and latham r doomed what else is there to know

[Anonymous User]

My list so far, would appreciate any input.

Top 60% (.06 under median) - I’d like to stay in DC but am realistic about the GPA and willing to go to any other market and maybe lateral transfer later. Litigation > Trans

Hollingsworth LLP (DC)
Cozen O'Connor (DC)
Keller and Heckman (DC)
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP (NY)
Chadbourne & Parke, LLP (NY)
Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman LLP (NY)
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP (NY)
Seward & Kissel LLP (NY)
White & Case (NY)
DLA Piper (DC)
Weil, Gotshal & Manges (DC)
Cahill Gordon & Reindel (NY)
Venable LLP (DC)
Chadbourne & Parke, LLP (DC)
Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP (NY)
Baker Hostetler LLP (NY)
Linklaters (NY)
Jones Day (DC)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (DC)
Keller and Heckman LLP (DC)
Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP (DC)
Powers Pyles Sutter & Verville (DC)
Proskauer Rose LLP (DC)
Morrison & Foerster (VA)

Nickname: TimeToHustle

is this in order? looks good re GPA, not sure about bid stats and class sizes though

also who the f is powers pyles

[Minnietron]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

minnie i know you have a 4.0

False. I am sitting somewhere around a 1.893. That last C+ saved me!

[TLSModBot]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

Say you don't Blue Lotus us and reserve your questions for your actual situation. What then?

[Minnietron]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

Say you don't Blue Lotus us and reserve your questions for your actual situation. What then?

Well, those are both actual situations, although both not necessarily pertaining to me. A lurker I know and I were interested in the answers jointly and severally. I was unaware that we are not permitted to ask a question for someone else's benefit.

[Anonymous User]

Is 3.2x below the grade cutoff for most firms coming to EIW? I know I should be happy to get any job anywhere, but does it make sense to bid mostly NY and LA (strong ties)? Full disclosure: very competitive/rare corporate job this summer, prestigious fed externship this fall, decorated combat veteran, objectively solid/great interviewer, racial minority (not Black or Hispanic). This may out me but oh well. Thanks in advance.

-Crooked Hillary

[Hand]

Say you have a 2.7ish and you only want DC BigLaw. What should that bid list look like?

DC Biglaw at any level is gonna be tough as hell to crack with a 2.7. New York is gonna be tough to crack with that GPA

Ok. Say you have a 3.7ish and you only want Atlanta BigLaw. What are your chances?

Say you don't Blue Lotus us and reserve your questions for your actual situation. What then?

Well, those are both actual situations, although both not necessarily pertaining to me. A lurker I know and I were interested in the answers jointly and severally. I was unaware that we are not permitted to ask a question for someone else's benefit.

Blue lotus' cousin can ask his/her own questions I'd say

[buckiguy_sucks]

Is 3.2x below the grade cutoff for most firms coming to EIW? I know I should be happy to get any job anywhere, but does it make sense to bid mostly NY and LA (strong ties)? Full disclosure: very competitive/rare corporate job this summer, prestigious fed externship this fall, decorated combat veteran, objectively solid/great interviewer, racial minority (not Black or Hispanic). This may out me but oh well. Thanks in advance.

-Crooked Hillary

Your GPA is competitive at 3.2x and 3.3x firms. Maybe interviewing skills could snag upper 3.3x and lower 3.4x firms but your summer experience is probably not super meaningful/helpful. Have you done any networking this summer? Check the grade history spreadsheet on the EIW site

[buckiguy_sucks]

Protip: If you want to nerd out about law firms and find out who's doing well financially, who hires the bigger or smaller classes, or who does well in a particular area of Corporate (Lit is a little harder to measure by financial metrics), go to the Georgetown Library website, then search for ALM Legal Intelligence (just searching for ALM should get you there). From here log in using your netID and get your paws on that sweet, sweet, Survey and Rankings data. The Corporate Scorecard and AmLaw 200 spreadsheets for this past year will give you some really granular stuff.

k&l gates and latham r doomed what else is there to know

do these spreadsheets have 1st years salary, i've been finding them on chambers associate but some firms don't have a page

[BmoreOrLess]

Vault is pretty good for salaries of most Midlaw/regional biglaw.

[buckiguy_sucks]

Vault is pretty good for salaries of most Midlaw/regional biglaw.

Solid thanks

[Anonymous User]

top 10% (at least), how is my top 10 looking?

1. Latham Watkins

2. Ropes and Gray

3. Gibson Dunn

4. Davis Polk

5. Simpson Thatcher

6. Debevoise Plimpton

7. Kirkland Ellis

8. Proskauer Rose

9. Cravath

10. O’Melveny Myers

[TLSModBot]

top 10% (at least), how is my top 10 looking?

1. Latham Watkins

2. Ropes and Gray

3. Gibson Dunn

4. Davis Polk

5. Simpson Thatcher

6. Debevoise Plimpton

7. Kirkland Ellis

8. Proskauer Rose

9. Cravath

10. O’Melveny Myers

What city or cities is each of these in? E.g. Simpson NY = strong shot, Simpson DC is a tougher get.

[Anonymous User]

top 10% (at least), how is my top 10 looking?

1. Latham Watkins

2. Ropes and Gray

3. Gibson Dunn

4. Davis Polk

5. Simpson Thatcher

6. Debevoise Plimpton

7. Kirkland Ellis

8. Proskauer Rose

9. Cravath

10. O’Melveny Myers

What city or cities is each of these in? E.g. Simpson NY = strong shot, Simpson DC is a tougher get.

all NY but i was thinking I would mention I'm also interested in DC during my interviews for firms that don't allow multiple interviews for different offices

[buckiguy_sucks]

top 10% (at least), how is my top 10 looking?

1. Latham Watkins

2. Ropes and Gray

3. Gibson Dunn

4. Davis Polk

5. Simpson Thatcher

6. Debevoise Plimpton

7. Kirkland Ellis

8. Proskauer Rose

9. Cravath

10. O’Melveny Myers

What city or cities is each of these in? E.g. Simpson NY = strong shot, Simpson DC is a tougher get.

all NY but i was thinking I would mention I'm also interested in DC during my interviews for firms that don't allow multiple interviews for different offices

latham and ropes that high seem kind of like wastes unless you're trying to be very conservative but i appreciate that they'll get more bids than the other firms. maybe drop those lower and just hustle to pick up the interviews through the suites or whatever if you don't get them through the lottery