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[Johann]

also hell for the associates that have to bail procrastinating partners out of deadlines.

[El Pollito]

also hell for the associates that have to bail procrastinating partners out of deadlines.

FUCK

i don't really procrastinate anymore bc i've had it beat out of me but it doesn't even matter bc people above me do

[Anonymous User]

so basically, aside from the $$$, big law blows?

[jbagelboy]

so basically, aside from the $$$, big law blows?

the $$$ after tax and loan payments isn't much to write home about either

[Johann]

so basically, aside from the $$$, big law blows?

Sometimes the first year is dope.

[arklaw13]

This thread horrifies me. Brb rewiring my entire brain...

[El Pollito]

I like my work and most of the people i work with, but a few severely mentally ill people (which is basically a guarantee in biglaw) ruin everything

[Leonardo DiCaprio]

what kind of mental illness are we talking about

[El Pollito]

what kind of mental illness are we talking about

probably borderline personality disorder with a touch of affulenza if i had to guess

[ckelly85]

Not procrastinating just gets you assigned more work.

[North]

This actually worries me more than anything. I am really good at buckling down for a couple weeks at a time, i.e., for finals, and then doing next to nothing the rest of the semester. I've realized I go either like 20% or 200%.

I was the same way. The transition to working at a law firm—where you have to bill all your time—is brutal.

I mean, the ability to go at 200% for a couple of weeks is still valuable. The problem is learning to "coast" at 75% instead of 20%. I'm four years in, and I still haven't shed all of my bad procrastination habits. Procrastinating is massively self-destructive when you're at a law firm.

This is 100% me. I've been rationalizing is by thinking it would be an asset in transactional work -- it seems like perfect training for fire drills. Lit seems completely incompatible based on how I've handled my seminar paper classes this semester

Ugh. This is going to fuck me more than anything. Even during my summers after getting an assignment I'd test the waters, then dick around for a few days, and then crack down and butcher something decent out in advance of the deadline.

Same dude. Added to the rush having a career on the line instead of a grade.

[Anonymous User]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

[crib]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

[Desert Fox]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

[Anonymous User]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day. I think it 7.5, been a couple yrs. Even if it was just "billing" some stupid non billable code. Supposedly you for bitched at by some admin or some shit if you didn't.

Well respected amlaw firm fwiw

[TheoO]

For the lawyers here: how many of you sucked ass at being "detail oriented" and how did you fix it. Honestly, besides the procrastination, it's this shit that gives me nightmares.

[rpupkin]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day.

Weird. That sounds like something a firm would ask summers to do, but not actual associates. I mean, if I bill 75 hours in a week, but then leave at 3 p.m. on Friday after my filing is done, someone is going to give me shit about only accounting for 6 hours of my day on Friday? Makes no sense.

[Anonymous User]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day.

Weird. That sounds like something a firm would ask summers to do, but not actual associates. I mean, if I bill 75 hours in a week, but then leave at 3 p.m. on Friday after my filing is done, someone is going to give me shit about only accounting for 6 hours of my day on Friday? Makes no sense.

The firm I worked at would send everyone an automated email every week if they didn't enter at least 7 hours of time for every weekday. It was basically a table that showed you each day that had less than 7 hours billed.

I always just ignored those emails, and I don't think a human ever followed up on them. But I think the firm rationalizes them because lots of attorneys don't enter time until like the last day of the month and usually when people procrastinate time entry they underestimate the time it took to do stuff (I think there is legit research to back this up). So from the firm's point of view late billers are leaving money on the table.

[rpupkin]

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day.

Weird. That sounds like something a firm would ask summers to do, but not actual associates. I mean, if I bill 75 hours in a week, but then leave at 3 p.m. on Friday after my filing is done, someone is going to give me shit about only accounting for 6 hours of my day on Friday? Makes no sense.

The firm I worked at would send everyone an automated email every week if they didn't enter at least 7 hours of time for every weekday. It was basically a table that showed you each day that had less than 7 hours billed.

I always just ignored those emails, and I don't think a human ever followed up on them. But I think the firm rationalizes them because lots of attorneys don't enter time until like the last day of the month and usually when people procrastinate time entry they underestimate the time it took to do stuff (I think there is legit research to back this up). So from the firm's point of view late billers are leaving money on the table.

Ok. But that's a little different than "requiring you to account for 7.5 hrs a day."

[Anonymous User]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day.

Weird. That sounds like something a firm would ask summers to do, but not actual associates. I mean, if I bill 75 hours in a week, but then leave at 3 p.m. on Friday after my filing is done, someone is going to give me shit about only accounting for 6 hours of my day on Friday? Makes no sense.

Don't mean to derail the thread, and while what you say would make sense, I said it correctly. For summers they said we should still do it and we used billable codes for shit like "lunch with kenny, stan, and kyle". I can't really speak to how it was in practice just having been a summer, but it seemed real. IIRC I think you could also just bill "out of office."

But still seemed really really stupid

edit: i'm the first anon

[Pleasye]

I procrastinated doing work yesterday so now my sunday sucks even more. this blows

Oh hey this was me today.

[rpupkin]

I procrastinated doing work yesterday so now my sunday sucks even more. this blows

Oh hey this was me today.

Oh hey this was me today and just about every Sunday for the past four months.

[El Pollito]

my sunday sucks bc i don't have enough time in the week to finish my work

[Pleasye]

my sunday sucks bc i don't have enough time in the week to finish my work

I haven't been busy enough so I shat away the whole month procrastinating and my hours are gonna suck.


There has to be an in between.

[Desert Fox]

Why?

cause I can turn 30 billable hours into a whole week in teh office til 11pm.

So you bill 60 TLS hours a week to bus dev?

Accidental anon

It's not like you have to account for your in time office. If I sit on Tls and Reddit for 6 hours and do 3 hours of work, I just bill 3 hours.

One firm I summered at supposedly required you to account for 7.5 hrs a day. I think it 7.5, been a couple yrs. Even if it was just "billing" some stupid non billable code. Supposedly you for bitched at by some admin or some shit if you didn't.

Well respected amlaw firm fwiw

My firm used to make me do that. And I'd just say legal reading 4.5 hours.