Dropping law review after interviews? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Probably like 12 hours every 2 weeks as board member responsible for managing a team of 2Ls - not sure if the names of positions are standardized

[ookoshi]

to those complaining abt LR, how many hrs a week are u actually putting in?

At our school, these are averages, not consistent week to week:
2L Fall Semester - 10 hours a week (editing sessions and note)
2L Spring Semester - 2-3 hours a week (a few editing sessions, mostly nothing)
3L Fall - Depends on whether you run for the LR board. Could be 3-4 hours a week, could be 20+.
3L Spring - Same as 3L Fall

[lavarman84]

to those complaining abt LR, how many hrs a week are u actually putting in?

When we have edits, maybe 5 hours a week. Not too bad right now. But I think they've been going easy on us.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

LOL at reporting to your firm that so-and-so didn't meet his cite checking obligations, LOL at the idea that your LR bros are gonna hook you up with sweet gigs in a few years, LOL at all the self-important fucks ITT, and most importantly, LOL at this profession.

[Anonymous User]

LOL at reporting to your firm that so-and-so didn't meet his cite checking obligations, LOL at the idea that your LR bros are gonna hook you up with sweet gigs in a few years, LOL at all the self-important fucks ITT, and most importantly, LOL at this profession.

You don't believe that networking is a thing? I wasn't saying that they will give you sweet gigs, but burning those bridges assures little chance of getting opportunities to come your way in the future.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

LOL at reporting to your firm that so-and-so didn't meet his cite checking obligations, LOL at the idea that your LR bros are gonna hook you up with sweet gigs in a few years, LOL at all the self-important fucks ITT, and most importantly, LOL at this profession.

You don't believe that networking is a thing? I wasn't saying that they will give you sweet gigs, but burning those bridges assures little chance of getting opportunities to come your way in the future.

I think by the time current law students are in any position to make hiring decisions that would affect you, they'll give preference to their actual friends instead of that kid they knew 10 years ago who wrote a killer note about some 10th Circuit ruling being a game-changer for interlocutory appeals, if they haven't forgotten about you entirely. And then I'd question how many of those gigs you couldn't get just by having decent credentials, and after that I'd wonder whether, even if there was definitely some marginal utility for your career down the line, whether it was worth 20 hours a week during the last two years that your life won't be shitty.

TCR is not to do it in the first place. I'm not convinced it makes anything more than a minimal difference for someone who already had good grades at a decent school. But I also know that 75% of students wouldn't hesitate to self-flagellate if it meant a 1% increase in the chance to spend 11 PM on a Friday at Gibson instead of Paul Hastings.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

^Sorry, accidental anon.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Eh. LR is a decent bond and a decent networking hook. In my law school market, those kinds of things go a long way. I remember who was on law review with me (like I remember who plagiarized their note), and while I'm not hooking anyone up with any sweet gigs at the moment, you'd be surprised how much connections matter and when. It just seems dumb to burn bridges when you don't have to - it's frightening how important reputation in the legal community is. I think that's all people are saying.

That said, if you're really not willing to put in the work, I agree that you shouldn't sign up to start with. Have the balls to rely on your other strengths. If you can't pass up the chance to add another brass ring to your resume, don't act like you can have your cake and eat it too - if you want to use it to get ahead, then pay the price and do the damn work. (LOL at it being 20 hours a week, though.)

[Desert Fox]

[TheoO]

Law review at my school seemed to hate each other.

Count me in as don't ever apply.

Heh, this is quite true for many of the people I know who are in LR at my school as well.

[ookoshi]

I think by the time current law students are in any position to make hiring decisions that would affect you, they'll give preference to their actual friends instead of that kid they knew 10 years ago who wrote a killer note about some 10th Circuit ruling being a game-changer for interlocutory appeals, if they haven't forgotten about you entirely.

I agree. But then again, you could always take the time to make a few friends while on law review. Actual friends. As someone at a T2 school, pretty much everyone graduating going into BigLaw or Clerkships are on law review. And while I can certainly make friends with those same people while not being on law review, it certainly makes it easier being at the same place at the same time a lot.

If you're at a HYSCCN, or even a T-14, LR may or may not have that much value. But at a T2 school, LR if often required just to get a screening, much less an offer. Also, I don't have the luxury of being at a school where over 50% of the class ends up at a big firm and pretty much any friend I make at that school might be in a position to help me in the future. I have to be more targeted in my networking.

[fats provolone]

"make friends with people who will be successful in law firms" sounds like a great idea until you realize that those people are necessarily terrible

[Desert Fox]

[rpupkin]

LOL at reporting to your firm that so-and-so didn't meet his cite checking obligations, LOL at the idea that your LR bros are gonna hook you up with sweet gigs in a few years, LOL at all the self-important fucks ITT, and most importantly, LOL at this profession.

This isn't a law review thing or even a legal profession thing. People like to work with people who are cool to be around and who don't flake out.

Imagine you're at a firm and you're working on a matter with a fellow associate, who leaves at 3 everyday (without explanation) and requires you to pick up the slack and work till midnight. If you're later at another firm and that associate applies to work at your new firm, you're not going to want to see him hired. Or imagine that you volunteer at an agency where one of the other volunteers is mean and arrogant. Do you want that guy to get a job where you work? Of course not.

This is such an obvious thing that I can't believe it needs to be defended: If you're an asshole, people won't like you and won't want to work with you. If you can't grasp that common-sense concept, you're going to have a hard time in just about any profession.

[rpupkin]

"make friends with people who will be successful in law firms" sounds like a great idea until you realize that those people are necessarily terrible

But they're not all in law firms. The connections I have in big fed, for example, are mostly law school friends (some of whom I met on law review). I know many of us just love law firm life. But for those of us who want to consider leaving at some point, it's nice to have connections in other sectors of the market.

[fats provolone]

ok replace law firms with legal profession

[AVBucks4239]

LOL at reporting to your firm that so-and-so didn't meet his cite checking obligations, LOL at the idea that your LR bros are gonna hook you up with sweet gigs in a few years, LOL at all the self-important fucks ITT, and most importantly, LOL at this profession.

I think by the time current law students are in any position to make hiring decisions that would affect you, they'll give preference to their actual friends instead of that kid they knew 10 years ago who wrote a killer note about some 10th Circuit ruling being a game-changer for interlocutory appeals, if they haven't forgotten about you entirely. And then I'd question how many of those gigs you couldn't get just by having decent credentials, and after that I'd wonder whether, even if there was definitely some marginal utility for your career down the line, whether it was worth 20 hours a week during the last two years that your life won't be shitty.

TCR is not to do it in the first place. I'm not convinced it makes anything more than a minimal difference for someone who already had good grades at a decent school. But I also know that 75% of students wouldn't hesitate to self-flagellate if it meant a 1% increase in the chance to spend 11 PM on a Friday at Gibson instead of Paul Hastings.

Basically what I was trying to say. The advice in here about "oh you're blowing you're networking opportunities" is fucking laughable. OP came here and got pooped on by a bunch of law students who had no idea what they were talking about.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Were you on LR? How long have you been practicing?

[Anonymous User]

hi I'm on a secondary journal at a non-T14 school. My note professors keep on telling me they are going to fail me on the note, which will get me kicked out of the journal. I am working very hard on it but I don't know if I will be able to save the situation. Would my summer firm care if I fail (they can tell from my transcript) or drop the journal during the semester? What should I do now?

[Desert Fox]

Drop is better than F.

[Winter is Coming]

Drop is better than F.

Yeah I agree with this. I don't know if your professors are telling you this as a *wink you should drop it, or as a "you really need to shape up." But either way don't let it get to a point where you get an F on your transcript.

[wolfie_m.]

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[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

My note professors keep on telling me they are going to fail me on the note

They keep on telling you? As in, you didn't remedy the situation the first time they told you that you were gonna fail, which must have surprised them because they had to tell you again?

[pancakes3]

hi I'm on a secondary journal at a non-T14 school. My note professors keep on telling me they are going to fail me on the note, which will get me kicked out of the journal. I am working very hard on it but I don't know if I will be able to save the situation. Would my summer firm care if I fail (they can tell from my transcript) or drop the journal during the semester? What should I do now?

laughing. aloud.

[Anonymous User]

Anon here, last semester was fine and it started this semester. It happened within the past 10 days, they said it to me three times before giving me any feedback or details. I got the feedback last night, reviewed it and knew how to work on it. Of course I hope things will work out, but just in case until the end of the semester they are not happy, I need to know what to do.