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[Anonymous User]

dinged from mintz, choate, and hoag

Was this through oci, massmail, something else? If you don't mind can you expand on your stats like school/ties/rank/urm? etc.

massmailing. top 5 school. ties. top 3rd. not urm.

Thanks a bunch for the reply. Seems troubling that they dinged you right off the bat with your stats...did you not get them through lottery/preselect and so massmailed?

No worries. I'm happy to share my experience and have someone to commiserate with through this process!

I'm really surprised that I haven't gotten more positive results through mailing firms. I go to a great school, but unfortunately Boston firms other than the big 3 don't make it out for my school's interview program (it's a considerable distance, my class is small, and basically everyone goes to 3 markets, none of which is Boston). So I reached out to Boston firms several weeks ago to try to set something up outside of my school's hiring process, and have only heard back from 2.

Hopefully my experience isn't indicative of the general prospect for Boston employment, and you will have more success. I think that my school just doesn't carry as much weight as one would expect in the Boston legal market. From looking at the bios of attorneys at Boston's top non-big 3 firms (Mintz, Foley, Goulston, Nixon, etc.), a huge % of them went to BU/BC (and even schools like Suffolk and New England Law, which aren't even ranked). Apparently a strong local connection matters more than going to a top school.

So, IMO, if you're at a local school you should have more success with mass mailing than I did. Either way, just hustle as much as you can. The very worst thing that can happen is that they don't respond. If you haven't heard back yet, and applied more than a week ago, send a follow up email to the recruiting people.

Good luck!

[Anonymous User]

Anyone has insight into goodwins corporate practice? I know the recent layoffs only hit the lit department but i have heard corp is sort of also slow...

GP's corporate in Boston is expanding. They are actively interviewing 3Ls at Boston schools right now because of the need for first-years. Usually a good sign.

Any specifics into what practice groups are expanding for corporate or is it like all across the board?

Pretty much all of corporate is expanding, but the PE group is hiring laterals like crazy too. Probably 30% of the PE group in Boston are laterals hired in the last year, including several partners. RE at Goodwin is also rapidly expanding, and the Tech group is thriving as it has been for a while. So to succinctly answer your question, I would say pretty much all of corporate is super busy and expanding, but especially PE.

[Anonymous User]

surely someone must have heard something else by now...

[Anonymous User]

surely someone must have heard something else by now...

I had a cb at a big-3 firm

[Anonymous User]

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The Boston market doesn't really play the pre-OCI game. I expect this joint will get jumping once BC/BU on-campus interviews get started.

[Anonymous User]

how long do firms need to give callback for the BLG job fair?

[Anonymous User]

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The Boston market doesn't really play the pre-OCI game. I expect this joint will get jumping once BC/BU on-campus interviews get started.

Thanks anon. Really good to know.

Question: could playing the pre-OCI game hurt you at firms that don't play along? If you send 2 emails (an initial application, and a follow up later on) pre-oci, will that hurt your chances of getting looked at once they actually start hiring?

any speculation is appreciated.

[Anonymous User]

What's the word on Nutter? Anyone know anything about the firm? Pay below market but it sounds like everyone's happy there...

[Anonymous User]

How quickly do top 3 Boston firms give out callbacks after OCI interviews? Same day like New York?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone hear anything (good or bad) from Nixon Peabody yet?

[Anonymous User]

The answer to my own question re: immediate NY callbacks seems to be no. Goodwin callback 2 days after the interview.

[Anonymous User]

To the above anon: do you mind sharing whether or not you're at a Boston school? Interview at an OCI?

[Anonymous User]

Non-Boston T14, but strong Boston ties. The interview was at OCI.

[Anonymous User]

How are your grades? We have no info at my lower T14 on Goodwin.

[Anonymous User]

Above median, but below the 25 percentile of people from my school given offers (3.53). We have very few Bostonians though, so it sounds like I rightfully took those stats with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous User]

What's the word on Nutter? Anyone know anything about the firm? Pay below market but it sounds like everyone's happy there...

Well, one thing that sucked about Nutter last year is that they came to BU and claimed to be hiring for corp and litigation in their ads, but turned out they were just hiring for litigation only. So if you want to do transactional work, not the place. They do have a decent emerging companies practice, but...I'd go elsewhere for corporate.

Nutter is also kinda smug about being so special and Nutter-y. You need to drink the Kool-Aid.

However, I will say their offices are VERY NICE!

[Anonymous User]

What's the word on Nutter? Anyone know anything about the firm? Pay below market but it sounds like everyone's happy there...

Well, one thing that sucked about Nutter last year is that they came to BU and claimed to be hiring for corp and litigation in their ads, but turned out they were just hiring for litigation only. So if you want to do transactional work, not the place. They do have a decent emerging companies practice, but...I'd go elsewhere for corporate.

Nutter is also kinda smug about being so special and Nutter-y. You need to drink the Kool-Aid.

However, I will say their offices are VERY NICE!

I have a feeling it's the same this year. I was basically auto dinged and thought I would be at leasT pretty competitive (top 1/3 lower t14, from mass) but my resume and cover letter are pretty much strictly corp.

[Anonymous User]

What's the word on Nutter? Anyone know anything about the firm? Pay below market but it sounds like everyone's happy there...

Well, one thing that sucked about Nutter last year is that they came to BU and claimed to be hiring for corp and litigation in their ads, but turned out they were just hiring for litigation only. So if you want to do transactional work, not the place. They do have a decent emerging companies practice, but...I'd go elsewhere for corporate.

Nutter is also kinda smug about being so special and Nutter-y. You need to drink the Kool-Aid.

However, I will say their offices are VERY NICE!

I have a feeling it's the same this year. I was basically auto dinged and thought I would be at leasT pretty competitive (top 1/3 lower t14, from mass) but my resume and cover letter are pretty much strictly corp.

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anyone know what their pay scale is like? there's no info online, and they don't do lockstep like most other firms...

[Anonymous User]

bean town bump!

[Anonymous User]

Nutter callback anyone? If so, when is it scheduled?

[Anonymous User]

Mintz also no offered 1/4 of its summer class two years back. anyone know what was up with that?

FWIW, the Boston office of Mintz Levin made offers to all of this year's summer associates. See: http://abovethelaw.com/2015/08/summer-a ... -round-up/

[Anonymous User]

Mintz also no offered 1/4 of its summer class two years back. anyone know what was up with that?

FWIW, the Boston office of Mintz Levin made offers to all of this year's summer associates. See: http://abovethelaw.com/2015/08/summer-a ... -round-up/

Choate, Ropes, Weil, K&L and Skadden were all 100% too. Can't confirm anywhere else, but haven't heard of any no offers yet.

[Anonymous User]

Proskauer was 100% too.

[Anonymous User]

Can't confirm anywhere else, but haven't heard of any no offers yet.

Any word on "usual suspects"? I've heard that Sullivan & Worcester, Riemer & Braunstein and Nelson Mullins are likely to no-offer at least one SA each year.

Somewhat related: How was the summer at the Boston office of Bingmorg McLewis? (Didn't both the BMc and MLB offices hire SAs before the quasi-merger?)