Loyola Patent Fair 2012 Forum

[target]

I'll update if anyone reminds me of something I missed. I think all surveys/lists are the most current versions available. I know some of this is old and some isn't really what you're looking for, but regardless, HTH.

Also, you might want to consider asking for input over at intelproplaw forums or the GreedyIP and GreedyAssociates boards.

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  DC's Top IP Lawyers 2011-12
  IP Today's 2012 Top Patent Firms
  The Patent Scorecard 2011
  Law.com's 2011 Patent Litigation Survey
  Managing Intellectual Property's Patent Survey 2012
  
  Overall:
  Vault Law 100
  Law.com's The Associates Survey
  Chambers and Partners
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  ATL Career Center
  Judged.com

This is amazing. Thanks.

[09042014]

I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.

[run26.2]

My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.

[09042014]

My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.

Yep. Good advice.

[stratocophic]

My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.

Yep. Good advice.

And for those of you who aren't T14, make sure the firm actually comes to your OCI or one of your school's off-campus interview programs before you follow this advice.

[r6_philly]

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.

Thanks! I believe I have all the V100 firms with offices I can live with covered. There aren't really that many of them, and most of them are asking you to only bid one office and rank the preference in the cover letter.

I suppose I can cover the V10 at school with my top 10 bids.

[Anonymous User]

when you say "bid higher" what exactly do you mean?

we're given 32 bids for PLIP but I don't think there's any sort of "priority" to them?

am i right or am i wrong?

[r6_philly]

when you say "bid higher" what exactly do you mean?

we're given 32 bids for PLIP but I don't think there's any sort of "priority" to them?

am i right or am i wrong?

There is no priority as far as I understand it. They review your resume and give you interviews. The bids are alphabetized and you can't really rank them anyway. Maybe he was thinking about OCI bids with rank. Anyhow, don't give up the GP firms for boutiques when you are running out of bids. I went and looked up stats from last 2 OCI at my school, and in deed some of the boutiques have open slots after bidding. We get 50 or 60 bids, I am sure I can use my later bids on boutiques. Unless your school is swimming with patent bar eligible students.

[Anonymous User]

what kind of references do they want? can it be something other than profs? and how many generally?


also, if the firm doesn't indicate the need for a cover letter, don't include it right? it would be too overkill to include one?

[stratocophic]

what kind of references do they want? can it be something other than profs? and how many generally?


also, if the firm doesn't indicate the need for a cover letter, don't include it right? it would be too overkill to include one?

No CL needed if they don't ask for one. References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.

[Anonymous User]

Re location preference ranking


Firms, like Alston Bird and Jones Day, ask for a cover letter of ranking location preferences when one is interested in multiple locations.

Does firms expect a formal letter up to the scale of formality of a professional cover letter? Or a simple chart will be adequate? Or in the middle?

[Agent]

This is amazing. Thanks.

Np. Tweaked it a bit to make IP firms easier to locate, but nothing new yet:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?mode=quote&f=23&p=5427472&hilit=#p5427472

[Anonymous User]

Re location preference ranking


Firms, like Alston Bird and Jones Day, ask for a cover letter of ranking location preferences when one is interested in multiple locations.

Does firms expect a formal letter up to the scale of formality of a professional cover letter? Or a simple chart will be adequate? Or in the middle?

List of 1 through whatever ranking them is fine, that's what I used and I got interviews with both.

[target]

I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.

I am trying to use the ranking to guess the selectivity among firms. I mean besides the top 25%, 30%, etc, there is not much I can use to assess how selective a firm is.

[justhoping]

References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.

I didn't think we need to include references with our resume?

[wiseowl]

References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.

I didn't think we need to include references with our resume?

Some firms at PLIP ask for them. You wouldn't generally need them.

[09042014]

I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.

I am trying to use the ranking to guess the selectivity among firms. I mean besides the top 25%, 30%, etc, there is not much I can use to assess how selective a firm is.

Don't listen to what firms say on their application page in simplicity. It is total bullshit. Sometimes it's randomly too high, sometimes too low.

If you are at a T14, I wouldn't not apply to a firm because you think it is too good. No matter what your grades.

[angrybird]

Acceptable Credentials:
Biochemistry, Biotechnology, Chemical Engineering, Chemistry, Genetics, Immunology, Molecular Biology

not cool, WSGR

[run26.2]

Acceptable Credentials:
Biochemistry, Biotechnology, Chemical Engineering, Chemistry, Genetics, Immunology, Molecular Biology

not cool, WSGR

That's like the one firm that takes those credentials.













Kidding. Sort of.

[r6_philly]

They must have half the Boalt students on speed dial?

I guess no Wilson for me. No! Wilson ...

[target]

Re WSGR: their advance degree/WE combo requirements are insane as well.

[angrybird]

Re WSGR: their advance degree/WE combo requirements are insane as well.

i think that's fairly standard for biochem

[soccerfreak]

So which firms are known for hiring physics degrees with no w/e?

[09042014]

Does WSGR do no EE stuff?

[r6_philly]

Does WSGR do no EE stuff?

They do, but doesn't look like they are hiring, I am shocked. I am directly applying anyway.