2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools Forum

[beachbum]

Well, at least I'm not headed to a school that placed less than 40% into BigLaw. And at least I'm not gonna be paying full cost. Because then I would just feel like an idiot.

lol Duke is such a TTT.

[Grizz]

lol @ Vanderbilt

[09042014]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

[Grizz]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

Yeah I know. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that this is all historical.

[Trequartista]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

+1

Cornell placed about 40% in 2009 OCI. So next year's figures are going to be much lower, although I suppose they will be lower overall as well.

[beachbum]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

Yeah I know. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that this is all historical.

Well, it's tough because this is the most reliable and recent data we have. And it's super, super shitty.

And next year's data could very well be worse. So it's not like we have that to look forward to. All we can do is pray that the stories of (slowly) rebounding SA class sizes and offer rates are true. Pray, and drink.

[JG Hall]

Also, maybe some of the abrupt swings in data are more descriptive of the personalities in each class...

[Grizz]

Also, maybe some of the abrupt swings in data are more descriptive of the personalities in each class...

Vandy class of 2010 had 25% more fucktards than usual I'm not worried.

[A'nold]

Wow I've always been one to say that things weren't as bad as people were saying, and I was never one to listen to that autoadmit bs, but when it's from an official source like this I have to change my tune. This is unreal. I think helmholtz and a few others in this thread have been on here for a while, but for those of us who were on TLS before 2008 this is just a complete turn around. People on here used to say "go to GULC sticker; you'll get biglaw no problem". The vault guides said things like "getting big law from CLS is like shooting fish in a barrel" and "UVA's placement is phenomenal. Unless you want Wachtell and only Wachtell you'll be fine". NLJ numbers for the top 10 were in the high 50's. Now you have the number 6 school on the list placing less than half in the nlj250 (and the thing that's so scary is that nlj250 is much more comprehensive than vault rankings. If this was Vault I'd actually say things were really good. Vaults heavily NYC focused--but for these numbers to be nlj). Ugh why did things have to crash when I decided to go to law school.............

I kind of wish I had taken the wish and ED'd to UChicago.......

Lol its a sad dose of irony that I managed 2 T14 acceptances, and they end up the top 2 schools on this list. I guess someone is trying to tell me I made a bad decision turning them down.

OK I hate to sound like a crybaby but in all seriousness, no TLS hyperbole just real talk. What is going to happen to the people in the top 14 who miss biglaw/fed clerkship/pi? Are people with TOP 10 law degrees really going to be living at home with their parents working at RadioShack???? What have you guys heard from the people who struck out at OCI and don't have anything lined up (3Ls) what are they doing?! And the thing is that the worse class is class of 2011!!!!

Oh and people need to stop pissing on UChicago. They have NEVER had less than 51/2 percent biglaw placement AND they have high placement into top Vault firms, AND they have had lawyer/judge assessment scores higher than ANY school except HYS and CLS EVERY YEAR. AND they've placed more SCOTUS clerks than Stanford over the last decade. I don't give a damn what TLS says, Chicago is only barely behind Stanford. I used to love that school but I chickened out on ED because of their weak LRAP and I was afraid of ice cold Chicago....now I kind of regret it.

*c'mon man*

[Anonymous User]

Also, maybe some of the abrupt swings in data are more descriptive of the personalities in each class...

Vandy class of 2010 had 25% more fucktards than usual I'm not worried.

my class, on the whole, is of a very different mind than the 1Ls. mitigating factor in some cases.

[Grizz]

Also, maybe some of the abrupt swings in data are more descriptive of the personalities in each class...

Vandy class of 2010 had 25% more fucktards than usual I'm not worried.

my class, on the whole, is of a very different mind than the 1Ls. mitigating factor in some cases.

What mind would that be?

[Anonymous User]

Also, maybe some of the abrupt swings in data are more descriptive of the personalities in each class...

Vandy class of 2010 had 25% more fucktards than usual I'm not worried.

my class, on the whole, is of a very different mind than the 1Ls. mitigating factor in some cases.

What mind would that be?

suckier

[Grizz]

suckier

There are some pretty lame 1Ls bro. Let's be honest.

[09042014]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

Yeah I know. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that this is all historical.

One thing to consider is that NYC had pretty solid offer rates in for 2009 Summer Associates. Southern firms had atrocious no offer rates.

The exact opposite happened the year before. It's why NYC placing schools went UP in placement, and Southern placing firms dropped. The same thing happened in the midwest, but not as terrible. NYC firms took their lumps a year earlier. DC firms didn't really no offer as much.

The only thing I can't explain is NYU. Places mostly in NYC.

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[lawyerwannabe]

uhhhhh.. should I work for a few years before going to law school? lol

Duke isn't looking as pretty as it did before....

[Grizz]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

Yeah I know. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that this is all historical.

One thing to consider is that NYC had pretty solid offer rates in for 2009 Summer Associates. Southern firms had atrocious no offer rates.

The exact opposite happened the year before. It's why NYC placing schools went UP in placement, and Southern placing firms dropped. The same thing happened in the midwest, but not as terrible. NYC firms took their lumps a year earlier. DC firms didn't really no offer as much.

The only thing I can't explain is NYU. Places mostly in NYC.

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So true. Look at ATL. Place is a shit hole. FL is a shit hole. People in Nash firms got no offered like crazy. Other Southern markets are small as shit.

I did look at the full Vandy employment data. I did see a bunch of midsize firms, especially in Nash and other Southern markets. Article III was still 10%.

[beachbum]

Don't try to make huge trends out of one years data. Everyone was saying Cornell was TTT last year and it's number two.

Yeah I know. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that this is all historical.

One thing to consider is that NYC had pretty solid offer rates in for 2009 Summer Associates. Southern firms had atrocious no offer rates.

The exact opposite happened the year before. It's why NYC placing schools went UP in placement, and Southern placing firms dropped. The same thing happened in the midwest, but not as terrible. NYC firms took their lumps a year earlier. DC firms didn't really no offer as much.

The only thing I can't explain is NYU. Places mostly in NYC.

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This sounds reasonable. And the point made earlier about small class sizes should be considered, too. When you have a group of people who bid foolishly, or who don't interview well, or who end up at smaller (non-NLJ) firms, or who just get unlucky... well, when you have a small class size, those minor fluctuations can affect you in a big way.

[09042014]

Percentages of the Class of 2010 Who got a full time offer AFTER their SA - by city

NYC - 86.3
Los Angeles 78.5
Chicago -74.7
DC/NOVA- 72.8
Dallas 52
Minneapolis - 48

Here is a pdf that has a lot more cities and by region on page 11. http://www.nalp.org/uploads/PerspectivesonFallRec09.pdf

This is the reason for so much random change.

They will release info soon about this years, but it's going to be a lot better. Many firms had 100% offer rates. But then again less of them were hired in the first places.

[Grizz]

Percentages of the Class of 2010 Who got a full time offer AFTER their SA - by city

NYC - 86.3
Los Angeles 78.5
Chicago -74.7
DC/NOVA- 72.8
Dallas 52
Minneapolis - 48

Here is a pdf that has a lot more cities and by region on page 11. http://www.nalp.org/uploads/PerspectivesonFallRec09.pdf

This is the reason for so much random change.

They will release info soon about this years, but it's going to be a lot better. Many firms had 100% offer rates. But then again less of them were hired in the first places.

Damn 42% in ATL is the second worse, just above Ohio as a whole.

[lawyerwannabe]

Let's get serious!

Should I still go to Duke!?!?!?!

[Grizz]

Let's get serious!

Should I still go to Duke!?!?!?!

Sure

[BruceWayne]

LA is looking pretty good. High offer rate, decent number of firms, lower COL than NYC and DC but a nice place (or so I've heard). Why is LA so infrequently mentioned on TLS? Whenever people talk California they're just mentioning San Francisco. Is LA as "insular" as San Francisco?

[09042014]

LA is looking pretty good. High offer rate, decent number of firms, lower COL than NYC and DC but a nice place (or so I've heard). Why is LA so infrequently mentioned on TLS? Whenever people talk California they're just mentioning San Francisco. Is LA as "insular" as San Francisco?

No offering probably isn't the greatest indicator of market health. Texas was bad but they seem to be going great.

[JG Hall]

LA is looking pretty good. High offer rate, decent number of firms, lower COL than NYC and DC but a nice place (or so I've heard). Why is LA so infrequently mentioned on TLS? Whenever people talk California they're just mentioning San Francisco. Is LA as "insular" as San Francisco?

LA CoL is not low enough to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have to pay for car and car-associated expenses in LA, and not in NY.

[rose711]

OMG a lot of the top 10 is under 50 percent now. I remember when I first began looking at law schools every top 10 had at least 50 percent of the class in nlj 250--Columbia used to have 70+ percent.....this is really getting bad. Look what happened to Duke!!!! 38 percent

Bold re: Columbia added.




From the 2008 report published on Feb 23, 2009

Also in 2008, NLJ 250 law firms hired 5.3% more graduates from those 20 law schools that they relied on the most. Those law schools sent 3,696 of their total 6,771 juris doctor graduates to NLJ 250 firms. The top 20 schools in 2007 sent 3,511 of their total 6,395 juris doctor graduates to NLJ 250 firms.

Once again, Columbia Law School took the No. 1 spot as the school sending the highest percentage of its graduates directly to NLJ 250 firms. Among its 396 juris doctor graduates in 2008, 70.5% went to NLJ 250 law firms. In 2007, Columbia Law School sent 74.8% of its graduates to NLJ 250 law firms, and in 2006, 69.9% of the school's students joined NLJ 250 firms directly after graduation.

Source 2008