School OCI Data Forum

[Anonymous User]

CLS:
138 unique employers, ~24 interview slots per participating student (assuming no waste)

Compare to:
166 unique employers in EIP 2006
130 unique employers in EIP 2009

Disclaimer: May contain counting error +/-2

[chadwick218]

I would have thought that ND would have had more than 39, but then again NU only ~160 firms coming to campus this year. Notably lacking this year from year past are firms from Texas and the West Coast.

[primusux]

Where are the current numbers being pulled from? Would love to check out some schools

[Anonymous User]

Where are the current numbers being pulled from? Would love to check out some schools

Data from our own schools that we have access to as law students preparing for fall recruitment. It is very much not public information.

You can get some of it from the NALP directory, but it is much less useful/accurate.

[primusux]

Well, thanks for posting then!

Any UC Davis students care to share??

[Anonymous User]

Houston - 90 employers (roughly 80 unique and a few with multiple locations)

[General Tso]

Well, thanks for posting then!

Any UC Davis students care to share??

I am interested in this as well.

[jwrit07]

Any W&M OCI numbers for the Fall??

[09042014]

Any W&M OCI numbers for the Fall??

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

[txhorn]

Any W&M OCI numbers for the Fall??

first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
[Holds up prize]
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

[let/them/eat/cake]

Where are the current numbers being pulled from? Would love to check out some schools

Data from our own schools that we have access to as law students preparing for fall recruitment. It is very much not public information.

You can get some of it from the NALP directory, but it is much less useful/accurate.

wanna link me to where on the nalp directory i can find this?

EDIT: F*** it, I did it live.

[Anonymous User]

No, there are 186 students in the class at ND. This year, only 79 employment opportunities from 40 distinct employers are coming to campus.

79 employment opportunities, for which we should be glad if 10 people get jobs. Plenty of law reviewers got left out last year, and I'd say a vast majority of those actually showing up to OCI had no intention of hiring anyone. But if you are on TLS and from ND, I've probably complained about this to you in real life, whoever you are.

Hope this helps!

Are the top of the class all trying to transfer out?

I'm kicking myself for staying because I had some money here.

Off-campus interviewing isn't looking too hot either. 2 CA firms, 2 DC firms, 3 NYC firms (1 is IP and 1 is Skadden). How effective are mail-campaigns (esp. if firms won't even come to an interview site in their own city)?

[Anonymous User]

Emory has 27 law firms coming to OCI, then another ~10 in its NY program, 1 in DC, and various resume collects. It's more or less the same as last year. There will be another round of OCI, but not sure how many firms there.

[Anonymous User]

Houston - 90 employers (roughly 80 unique and a few with multiple locations)

Hmm...really? Are you sure? And if so would that mean that it is possible that some T2's are doing better than several T1's do strictly to their geographical location?

[Anonymous User]

St. John's has 28 firms coming for OCI this year. I don't know the numbers from last year though I would imagine it was around the same.

Keep in mind that although 28 firms are participating in OCI, very, very few of them actually hired SA's from SJU last year.

[Aberzombie1892]

Tulane has 36 opportunities between early interview days and round 1. I'm not sure how many rounds there will be, but I'm thinking around 50-60 opportunities for on-campus recruiting total (including other rounds and the inevitable late interview session).

The off-campus recruiting events had a dismal turnout, with:
5 in atlanta
9 in DC
16 in New York

The off-campus recruiting events are double edged swords because:

On one hand, we can interview with people who we otherwise would not be able to interview with - but on the other hand, some people who would actually come to campus decide not to because we go to them (it hurts OCI numbers).

[stupid law school/employer politics]

[TrampsLikeU$]

Well, as long as everyone is posting OCI numbers, lets see.

Near as I can tell, Duke currently (not sure if this is the final list) has:

167 Job interviewers
124 Individual employers (although I might have over counted a few, I think some are at both round 1 and 2 of OCI. Lets say around 110 to be safe)

Not sure how many interviews that translates to.

Oh, and in case anyone did not know, our class size is 225 (which is big for Duke).

Wait so how many organizations total including multiple offices at Duke. NALP Directory shows 307 organizations including multiple offices for last year’s OCI for Duke.

I counted 122 individual employers (2 overlaps between round 1 and 2 that I could see). There are about 110 firms, and then some PI and gov't.

I counted about 365 offices (including multiple offices) total, although this could be a little off- the format makes it really tough to count this, so I lost track a few times. About 345 are firms, the rest PI/Gov. Even assuming that some of these firms are non-NALP, it looks like this year is at least marginally better than last year.

[Bosque]

The Duke data is probably firms, not offices (right Bosque?) If so that's a fine number. The number of unique firms wasn't much over 200 during the boom.

I counted 122 individual employers (2 overlaps between round 1 and 2 that I could see). There are about 110 firms, and then some PI and gov't.

I counted about 365 offices (including multiple offices) total, although this could be a little off- the format makes it really tough to count this, so I lost track a few times. About 345 are firms, the rest PI/Gov. Even assuming that some of these firms are non-NALP, it looks like this year is at least marginally better than last year.

Yup. (Thanks for counting the offices) Plus, as I said, it is not final. More keep getting added. (We cannot even start bidding until the... 26th? I think it is the 26th.)

In any case, not everyone gets their job from OCI. A lot people get them from letter carpet bombing, some from their 1L gig (I might end up doing that, at least for half the summer), some from professor insider knowledge, some from other interview programs (Like the Loyola patent program, see you guys there!), the list goes on.

You should never rely solely on OCI, that would be incredibly dumb. Even if you get a job from it, you might miss out on a better one. I am pretty sure this is the case everywhere.

[Anonymous User]

You should never rely solely on OCI, that would be incredibly dumb. Even if you get a job from it, you might miss out on a better one. I am pretty sure this is the case everywhere.

This is wrong. For people at certain schools with certain grades and certain interests, relying on OCI is precisely what they should be doing. If you're in the top 10% at Columbia and want to do M&A work, OCI is your one and very likely only hope. You can supplement or network with the firms you bid on at OCI, but it's dumb to suggest that NOBODY should rely on the OCI process to get a job, because for a lot of people it's still not only reliable but the most likely avenue of success.

From personal experience, a lot of the firms/practices that DO recruit heavily from OCI are also those kinds of firms/practices where run of the mill 'networking' is the least useful. If your firm/practice area are snobby about school/grades and pushes its several dozen hires through a committee, you're just not going to get in through the guerilla guide / matthies(sp) techniques - valid though they may otherwise be.

[rayiner]

You should never rely solely on OCI, that would be incredibly dumb. Even if you get a job from it, you might miss out on a better one. I am pretty sure this is the case everywhere.

This is wrong. For people at certain schools with certain grades and certain interests, relying on OCI is precisely what they should be doing. If you're in the top 10% at Columbia and want to do M&A work, OCI is your one and very likely only hope. You can supplement or network with the firms you bid on at OCI, but it's dumb to suggest that NOBODY should rely on the OCI process to get a job, because for a lot of people it's still not only reliable but the most likely avenue of success.

From personal experience, a lot of the firms/practices that DO recruit heavily from OCI are also those kinds of firms/practices where run of the mill 'networking' is the least useful. If your firm/practice area are snobby about school/grades and pushes its several dozen hires through a committee, you're just not going to get in through the guerilla guide / matthies(sp) techniques - valid though they may otherwise be.

Why is this anonymous?

[let/them/eat/cake]

You should never rely solely on OCI, that would be incredibly dumb. Even if you get a job from it, you might miss out on a better one. I am pretty sure this is the case everywhere.

This is wrong. For people at certain schools with certain grades and certain interests, relying on OCI is precisely what they should be doing. If you're in the top 10% at Columbia and want to do M&A work, OCI is your one and very likely only hope. You can supplement or network with the firms you bid on at OCI, but it's dumb to suggest that NOBODY should rely on the OCI process to get a job, because for a lot of people it's still not only reliable but the most likely avenue of success.

From personal experience, a lot of the firms/practices that DO recruit heavily from OCI are also those kinds of firms/practices where run of the mill 'networking' is the least useful. If your firm/practice area are snobby about school/grades and pushes its several dozen hires through a committee, you're just not going to get in through the guerilla guide / matthies(sp) techniques - valid though they may otherwise be.

probably don't need to worry if you spelled matthies name wrong...i doubt he'd mind.

[Bosque]

You should never rely solely on OCI, that would be incredibly dumb. Even if you get a job from it, you might miss out on a better one. I am pretty sure this is the case everywhere.

This is wrong. For people at certain schools with certain grades and certain interests, relying on OCI is precisely what they should be doing. If you're in the top 10% at Columbia and want to do M&A work, OCI is your one and very likely only hope. You can supplement or network with the firms you bid on at OCI, but it's dumb to suggest that NOBODY should rely on the OCI process to get a job, because for a lot of people it's still not only reliable but the most likely avenue of success.

From personal experience, a lot of the firms/practices that DO recruit heavily from OCI are also those kinds of firms/practices where run of the mill 'networking' is the least useful. If your firm/practice area are snobby about school/grades and pushes its several dozen hires through a committee, you're just not going to get in through the guerilla guide / matthies(sp) techniques - valid though they may otherwise be.

Why is this anonymous?

Because it is sabotage. Of COURSE those jobs hire almost entirely from OCI, and of course you should try and do your best to get a job through OCI. But what happens if, god forbid, you don't get one of those? You should just give up on getting a legal job? Don't be absurd.

[BobSacamano]

Tier 2, well-regarded in region, etc.

Still haven't released firm list for OCI. We were told "early July." That can't be a good sign.

[Anonymous User]

Because it is sabotage. Of COURSE those jobs hire almost entirely from OCI, and of course you should try and do your best to get a job through OCI. But what happens if, god forbid, you don't get one of those? You should just give up on getting a legal job? Don't be absurd.

Sabotage? Give me a break. If you are in the top 10% of the class at CLS your efforts at this juncture, in my opinion, are much better spent on not striking out at OCI. There are people for whom plan B is unlikely enough to be necessary to allow it to distract from plan A.

To be clear: I'm suggesting that for dozens if not hundreds of law students, focusing 100% on OCI is a smart move right now. For basically all of the rest, focusing to OCI on the exclusion of other positions could be disastrous. If, as will undoubtedly happen to at least a small percentage of those who have the best odds, OCI does not pan out, of course alternatives should be planned. But this is top-law-schools.com, and I don't think it should come across as shocking or revolutionary to say that for many people relying on OCI is still a perfectly fine life choice.

As to why it's anonymous, I've discussed my posture on this forum with the mods. I'll bow out of this particular conversation now if it makes you uncomfortable, as I don't want to cause a disruption. But I'm happy to send you a PM if you'd like to discuss it further one on one.

[tomwelling]

I also take a moment not to gloat or rag on the class of 2012, but I bit my tongue after many well-respected posters on this site continuously predicted for months and months that the class of 2012's OCI would be markedly better than class of 2011's.

While you will likely be correct, it is difficult to say right now whether or not this year's OCI will be better or worse than last year's. Number of firms coming to OCI is only part of the equation. The bigger question is how many of these firms are actually hiring people. Last year a lot of firms committed to OCI but hired no one (or very few people). It remains to be seen whether that trend will continue.

Note: I am not trying to be naively optimistic (I think it is likely that it will be very similar to last year), but I don't think we can declare this year's OCI completely dead quite yet. Though at this point the best case scenario is certainly much worse than some people had predicted/hoped for a year ago.