School OCI Data Forum

[Anonymous User]

NYU gave me 50 bids and I got 29 screening interviews out of them last year. Pretty awesome.

Class rank? # of callbacks? # of offers?

Slightly below top third. 10 callbacks. 4 offers before I started canceling callbacks or withdrawing myself from consideration (I had gotten my first choice at that point).

Don't know what I did, but I made out OK. We'll see if that means I actually end up with a permanent offer... still have nothing from my firm...

[dresden doll]

So far, if I remember correctly, we have the following for hard stats:

Yale - 100% SA placement*
Harvard - 100% SA placement*
Stanford - 100% SA placement*
Columbia - 69% SA placement
NYU - 69% SA placement
Chicago - 69% SA placement
Berkeley - 40% SA placement
Virginia - XX% SA placement
Penn - XX% SA placement
Michigan - 50% SA placement
Northwestern - XX% SA placement
Duke - XX% SA placement
Cornell - 43% SA placement
Georgetown - XX% SA placement

*Potential placement.

I propose we fill in the stats for the rest of the T14 with actual hard data. Would people from the remaining schools do what they can to get some good information? This could be really helpful for future 0Ls deciding between schools.

I am pretty sure CLS and NYU placed 67 percent. Not that the difference is particularly significant, but I just thought I'd note it.

These placement differentials really invalidate what I used to think, i.e. that there was no meaningful difference between CCN and MPBV. 19 percent differential between Michigan and Chicago? Good God, that's step.

Where did the 50% at Michigan come from? I wouldn't be surprised if that was the actual number, but I thought the Mich estimate was based on extrapolations from the # of offers extended....

And the CLS # was placement of OCI participants, so not 100% comparable.

I have no idea where the 50 percent figure comes from. I'd venture to guess that someone that goes to Michigan posted it, much like students from other schools shared figures their OCSs released.

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

[270910]

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

Nope. I know off the top of my head with certainty that the CLS number is derived from OCI success while the Duke number is derived from a list of where students are this summer. There are a lot of reasons why that could make a difference - mass mailing, declined firm offers (I know people who cleaned up at OCI then flipped the firms the bird and went to work for the DoJ), etc.

Also I'm 90% sure that the "50% mich" number was sourced from somebody's gut / impression not data the way the CLS, duke, NYU, Cornell, etc. numbers have been.

[doyleoil]

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

No. It's been pointed out elsewhere that these percentage numbers aren't comparable. Chicago's number is based on the "who worked where" list and thus probably includes some people who found jobs outside of OCI.

The original 67% number for CLS, for example, is 67% of people who participated in OCI (there were ~400 participants in their OCI, so the final total isn't reflective of the whole graduating class).

It's useless to try to compare these percentages, and we should probably stop referring to them.

[dresden doll]

No. It's been pointed out elsewhere that these percentage numbers aren't comparable. Chicago's number is based on the "who worked where" list and thus probably includes some people who found jobs outside of OCI.

The original 67% number for CLS, for example, is 67% of people who participated in OCI (there were ~400 participants in their OCI, so the final total isn't reflective of the whole graduating class).

It's useless to try to compare these percentages, and we should probably stop referring to them.

I thought our 'Who Worked Where' was based off of OCI. Slightly disconcerting. Thanks for the correction, however.

[rayiner]

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

Nope. I know off the top of my head with certainty that the CLS number is derived from OCI success while the Duke number is derived from a list of where students are this summer. There are a lot of reasons why that could make a difference - mass mailing, declined firm offers (I know people who cleaned up at OCI then flipped the firms the bird and went to work for the DoJ), etc.

Also I'm 90% sure that the "50% mich" number was sourced from somebody's gut / impression not data the way the CLS, duke, NYU, Cornell, etc. numbers have been.

The 50% Mich number came from an uncertain mathemtical transformation of an unverified source datum.

[NYAssociate]

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[Anonymous User]

T40-50, 20~ bids, 12 interviews. Top 5%, LR, and moot court.

Edited per Romo's request.

[romothesavior]

Bid on 21 of the 30 employers at the first round of OCI. 19 pre-selects. 1 V5, a few V50, a few more V100, and the rest are regional biglaw/midlaw that pay upwards of $110K.

I go to a T2 ranked in the 60's. Top 10% + LR. Needless to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by these results.

Very similar situation, T50, similar results.

T1, 20~ bids, 12 interviews. Top 5%, LR, and moot court.

If you are going to use the anon feature, please provide information that is somewhat helpful. "T1" could mean anything from Vanderbilt to UNC to American, and T2 could be anything from a decent state school like Tennessee to a shithole like BLS or Seton Hall. These posts are not helpful. No reason not to give your school or at least a range of schools if you post anon.

[General Tso]

Bid on 21 of the 30 employers at the first round of OCI. 19 pre-selects. 1 V5, a few V50, a few more V100, and the rest are regional biglaw/midlaw that pay upwards of $110K.

I go to a T2 ranked in the 60's. Top 10% + LR. Needless to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by these results.

Very similar situation, T50, similar results.

T1, 20~ bids, 12 interviews. Top 5%, LR, and moot court.

If you are going to use the anon feature, please provide information that is somewhat helpful. "T1" could mean anything from Vanderbilt to UNC to American, and T2 could be anything from a decent state school like Tennessee to a shithole like BLS or Seton Hall. These posts are not helpful. No reason not to give your school or at least a range of schools if you post anon.

Not sure why you'd think Tennessee has a stronger OCI than BLS or Seton Hall. But I agree...name names!

[romothesavior]

Not sure why you'd think Tennessee has a stronger OCI than BLS or Seton Hall. But I agree...name names!

My knowledge of astrophysics is probably greater than my knowledg of T2 OCIs. And I know little about physics. I was just throwing out random schools.

[2009 Prospective]

Bid on 21 of the 30 employers at the first round of OCI. 19 pre-selects. 1 V5, a few V50, a few more V100, and the rest are regional biglaw/midlaw that pay upwards of $110K.

I go to a T2 ranked in the 60's. Top 10% + LR. Needless to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by these results.

Very similar situation, T50, similar results.

T1, 20~ bids, 12 interviews. Top 5%, LR, and moot court.

If you are going to use the anon feature, please provide information that is somewhat helpful. "T1" could mean anything from Vanderbilt to UNC to American, and T2 could be anything from a decent state school like Tennessee to a shithole like BLS or Seton Hall. These posts are not helpful. No reason not to give your school or at least a range of schools if you post anon.

At many T2s (and even T1s too), giving the exact school name + # of interviews, law review etc. can sometimes be enough identifying information to out the poster. Keep in mind that T2s are usually all preselect and the number of interviews from one person to the next can vary so greatly that even providing such vague information might reveal one's identity.

[wiseowl]

still, "T40" or "T30" is more narrow.

[romothesavior]

At many T2s (and even T1s too), giving the exact school name + # of interviews, law review etc. can sometimes be enough identifying information to out the poster. Keep in mind that T2s are usually all preselect and the number of interviews from one person to the next can vary so greatly that even providing such vague information might reveal one's identity.

A range would at least be nice. MVP is different than WUSTL/UIUC/ND, which is different than a school ranked 40-50. That would not identify anyone (not that being identified in relation to an anon post on TLS would somehow even matter in the first place).

I'm not saying I don't appreciate the OCI data and the anecdotes. I'm just saying it isn't particularly helpful without additional information. You might as well say, "I go to a law school, top 10%, LR" if you're going to just say T1.

[romothesavior]

T40-50, 20~ bids, 12 interviews. Top 5%, LR, and moot court.

Edited per Romo's request.

TY good sir/ma'am.

[bwv812]

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[dresden doll]

On a relatively unrelated note, UChicago just let us know they were extending our bidding period.

[miamiman]

On a relatively unrelated note, UChicago just let us know they were extending our bidding period.

because?

[dresden doll]

On a relatively unrelated note, UChicago just let us know they were extending our bidding period.

because?

Doubtlessly, because they want to make sure we do it right. People routinely screw themselves over by bidding unwisely.

[bwv812]

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[dresden doll]

So giving people a few more hours will automatically make them smart bidders? Sounds 100% Chicago School to me.

They are giving us two extra days. I'd imagine that that's enough time for at least some to revise their bidlists as needed.

[oscarthegrouch]

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

Nope. I know off the top of my head with certainty that the CLS number is derived from OCI success while the Duke number is derived from a list of where students are this summer. There are a lot of reasons why that could make a difference - mass mailing, declined firm offers (I know people who cleaned up at OCI then flipped the firms the bird and went to work for the DoJ), etc.

Also I'm 90% sure that the "50% mich" number was sourced from somebody's gut / impression not data the way the CLS, duke, NYU, Cornell, etc. numbers have been.

Yeah, I think someone asked Mich's career services what the percentage was, based on the responses they have gotten from students and/or looked at a list that CSO provided regarding employment.

As someone mentioned earlier, Chicago's percentage includes those who mass mailed, so it's probably less optimistic for OCI purposes than 67% or whatever it was, while Columbia's is the percentage of those who did OCI. Basically, the schools' percentages are not comparable.

[Bosque]

So giving people a few more hours will automatically make them smart bidders? Sounds 100% Chicago School to me.

They are giving us two extra days. I'd imagine that that's enough time for at least some to revise their bidlists as needed.

Time? Sure. The self awareness to realise they need to do so? Not a chance.

[rayiner]

Isn't every number here reflective of the placement of OCI participants? Ours certainly is and I was assuming - perhaps erroneously - that such was the case with all of them.

Nope. I know off the top of my head with certainty that the CLS number is derived from OCI success while the Duke number is derived from a list of where students are this summer. There are a lot of reasons why that could make a difference - mass mailing, declined firm offers (I know people who cleaned up at OCI then flipped the firms the bird and went to work for the DoJ), etc.

Also I'm 90% sure that the "50% mich" number was sourced from somebody's gut / impression not data the way the CLS, duke, NYU, Cornell, etc. numbers have been.

The 50% Mich number came from an uncertain mathematical transformation of an unverified source datum.

You really hate the Mich stats, don't you? Maybe there are a few offers that were omitted, but there are problems with some of the data sets you seem to like (I've seen comments suggesting at least a few Cornell students were left off that list). I agree that the leap from Mich offers to OCI placement is imprecise at best, but I don't think the dataset itself is that problematic.

My problem with the underlying datapoint was the lack of a source, or even independent verification thereof. The Chicago, NYU, Duke, Cornell data were from charts sent around by the CSO that ended up on ATL and whatnot. I've *seen* the Duke data myself. Never seen no Michigan data.

[doyleoil]

Never seen no Michigan data.

NYAssociate has taught you well, my son.