School OCI Data Forum

[HAMBONE]

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

sorry buddy. hopefully you have been sending out your resumes on your own to all the firms

[romothesavior]

More (anecdotal) data from Wustl

Top 25% - got 8 preselect interviews, 1 lottery and 2 alternates. I applied to a secondary market which isn't popular with students here, so I did better than others with similar grades who focused on popular markets like Chicago/NYC/DC

A friend in the top 10% got 16 interviews

A friend who is somewhere between median and top 1/3 got 3 interviews

Another just below median student got 2 interviews

Could you possibly PM me and tell me what market you targeted?

[Blindmelon]

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

sorry buddy. hopefully you have been sending out your resumes on your own to all the firms

Ouch... is Emory getting abnormally killed because your home market is so small? I'm BU, top 1/3rd and only bid on 15 places - got 6 pre-selects, 4 alts, and 5 no invites. I only bid on big firms too.

[d34d9823]

Yeah these Emory OCI numbers and anecdotal stories are bonkers...It doesn't make much sense, since Emory is the best law school in a relatively large market--and literally right in the middle of the market. How is UGA doing with OCI?

Also we have no clue what markets above posters were targeting.

The concept of "targeting a market at OCI" has no meaning when so few firms come. At a place like Emory, everyone targets the market I like to call "law firms showing up to OCI."

This post was excellent.

[awesomepossum]

agreed

[dresden doll]

::cowers::

[Anonymous User]

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

are you from new york? atlanta firms hate me too.

[lawduder]

Emory OCI stories are making me very sad and I'm only paying half tuition

[dresden doll]

So far, if I remember correctly, we have the following for hard stats:

Yale - 100% SA placement*
Harvard - 100% SA placement*
Stanford - 100% SA placement*
Columbia - 69% SA placement
NYU - 69% SA placement
Chicago - 69% SA placement
Berkeley - 40% SA placement
Virginia - XX% SA placement
Penn - XX% SA placement
Michigan - 50% SA placement
Northwestern - XX% SA placement
Duke - XX% SA placement
Cornell - 43% SA placement
Georgetown - XX% SA placement

*Potential placement.

I propose we fill in the stats for the rest of the T14 with actual hard data. Would people from the remaining schools do what they can to get some good information? This could be really helpful for future 0Ls deciding between schools.

I am pretty sure CLS and NYU placed 67 percent. Not that the difference is particularly significant, but I just thought I'd note it.

These placement differentials really invalidate what I used to think, i.e. that there was no meaningful difference between CCN and MPBV. 19 percent differential between Michigan and Chicago? Good God, that's step.

[Anonymous User]

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

are you from new york? atlanta firms hate me too.

Not from NY, but not close to GA

[Anonymous User]

As a transfer at WUSTL, I received 9 interviews and 2 alternates.

EDIT: 8 preselects and 1 lottery

[Anonymous User]

WUSTL, probably 1 or 2 percentage points outside of top 1/3. 8 preselects and 1 lottery. Pretty happy considering we have 3 more rounds to go.

[Grizz]

Yeah these Emory OCI numbers and anecdotal stories are bonkers...It doesn't make much sense, since Emory is the best law school in a relatively large market--and literally right in the middle of the market. How is UGA doing with OCI?

Also we have no clue what markets above posters were targeting.

The concept of "targeting a market at OCI" has no meaning when so few firms come. At a place like Emory, everyone targets the market I like to call "law firms showing up to OCI."

Haha great way to think about it.

[Grizz]

Oh, really? I always though most people didnt really care what firm they worked for and the people who did care were the minority. For me, my mid-term ideal goal is academia so if I dont get a fed. clerkship I really couldnt care less what firm I work at as long as it pays well. Im also of the belief that ~100-125k in the south is greater than 160 in NYC. Those two factors combined probably can explain the bias I have for Vandy over Gtown/Cornell. I love the schools out west but the non-ip market out there just scares me right now. Kicking myself for not staying with that BioChem major.

Since I never want to leave the South, I don't feel too bad about not even applying to Cornell and GULC.

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

Whoa.

[2009 Prospective]

Emory OCI stories are making me very sad and I'm only paying half tuition

Another classic example of oblivious TLS stealth boasting.

[Grizz]

Emory OCI stories are making me very sad and I'm only paying half tuition

Another classic example of oblivious TLS stealth boasting.

That's not a stealth boast. That's a legitimate concern. Half tuition still probably means almost $100k in debt counting COL.

[romothesavior]

Glad to see top 30-40% people at WUSTL and transfers into WUSTL getting a decent number of interviews. Better than I expected ITE, anyways. Good luck to you all.

[stratocophic]

Emory OCI stories are making me very sad and I'm only paying half tuition

Another classic example of oblivious TLS stealth boasting.

That's not a stealth boast. That's a legitimate concern. Half tuition still probably means almost $100k in debt counting COL.

Worse than that, even Unless he has substantial savings available, ~21500 tuition + 16-20k (depending on frugality) other expenses would put him between 110-120k. Future applicants: scholarships sound great till COL is factored in. I can vouch for this as well

Edit: Actually according to Emory's site, other expenses may are estimated at 25k Damn that's expensive.

[rayiner]

Oh, apologies, I didnt mean just because of data. I mean because of its rep in the southeast(Im a resident of the region). Vandy is not too far behind UVA and right there with Duke(without the polarizing effect). Even before the downturn Vandy was extremely strong, the downturn has just highlighted this as other schools have had trouble.

Definitely depends on goals. Vandy does much less well with the "most prestigious" (whatever that means) firms than Duke and UVA, but still places a very large number of its graduates into desirable law firm positions. It's worth considering. Most people I know didn't give a shit about what firm they wound up with so long as it paid them too much money until they started the OCI process, at which point it started to matter a lot more.

Oh, really? I always though most people didnt really care what firm they worked for and the people who did care were the minority. For me, my mid-term ideal goal is academia so if I dont get a fed. clerkship I really couldnt care less what firm I work at as long as it pays well. Im also of the belief that ~100-125k in the south is greater than 160 in NYC. Those two factors combined probably can explain the bias I have for Vandy over Gtown/Cornell. I love the schools out west but the non-ip market out there just scares me right now. Kicking myself for not staying with that BioChem major.

I don't know if Vandy necessarily destroys gtown/cornell in the south. The big Atlanta firms (King & Spalding, Alston) used to hire deep out of NU to the point where I have a hard time imagining they'd go any deeper into Vandy. I'd imagine GULC and Cornell place similarly.

[rayiner]

How about another Emory anecdote: Top 20%, 1 preselect, 0 Atlanta firms. It's a massacre.

sorry buddy. hopefully you have been sending out your resumes on your own to all the firms

Ouch... is Emory getting abnormally killed because your home market is so small? I'm BU, top 1/3rd and only bid on 15 places - got 6 pre-selects, 4 alts, and 5 no invites. I only bid on big firms too.

It's not so much that Atlanta is small (similar # of NLJ250 lawyers as Boston) but rather that it got destroyed ITE. The big employers who used to hire dozens of SAs cut back dramatically. Alston went from 51 in '08 to 13 in '10. King & Spalding went from 28 in '08 to 6 in '10. Other firms that used to hire ~5 or so (it adds up) outright canceled their summer programs.

[dresden doll]

Oh, really? I always though most people didnt really care what firm they worked for and the people who did care were the minority. For me, my mid-term ideal goal is academia so if I dont get a fed. clerkship I really couldnt care less what firm I work at as long as it pays well. Im also of the belief that ~100-125k in the south is greater than 160 in NYC. Those two factors combined probably can explain the bias I have for Vandy over Gtown/Cornell. I love the schools out west but the non-ip market out there just scares me right now. Kicking myself for not staying with that BioChem major.

Insofar as there is a correlation between ranking and job security/exit options/SA offers extended at the end of 2L summer, people very much do care who they work for.

On an unrelated note, I'm peeved that nearly all firms interviewing at Chicago are V50. I feel like every single one is going to be incredibly hard to get. More non-V50 firms, please.

[Grizz]

I don't know if Vandy necessarily destroys gtown/cornell in the south. The big Atlanta firms (King & Spalding, Alston) used to hire deep out of NU to the point where I have a hard time imagining they'd go any deeper into Vandy. I'd imagine GULC and Cornell place similarly.

ATL I would gather it's hard to say, because of sample size, and the best of Cornell and GULC probably want to go elsewhere (actually recently, so do a lot of the best of Vandy). However in my area of the South, lawyers assured me that Vandy = Duke around here. Take from all of that what you will, I guess.

[d34d9823]

Oh, really? I always though most people didnt really care what firm they worked for and the people who did care were the minority. For me, my mid-term ideal goal is academia so if I dont get a fed. clerkship I really couldnt care less what firm I work at as long as it pays well. Im also of the belief that ~100-125k in the south is greater than 160 in NYC. Those two factors combined probably can explain the bias I have for Vandy over Gtown/Cornell. I love the schools out west but the non-ip market out there just scares me right now. Kicking myself for not staying with that BioChem major.

Insofar as there is a correlation between ranking and job security/exit options/SA offers extended at the end of 2L summer, people very much do care who they work for.

On an unrelated note, I'm peeved that nearly all firms interviewing at Chicago are V50. I feel like every single one is going to be incredibly hard to get. More non-V50 firms, please.

This is a good sign, if you think about it. The fact that lower ranked firms aren't showing up indicates that they think all the talent will be taken by the firms who are there.

[rayiner]

Oh, really? I always though most people didnt really care what firm they worked for and the people who did care were the minority. For me, my mid-term ideal goal is academia so if I dont get a fed. clerkship I really couldnt care less what firm I work at as long as it pays well. Im also of the belief that ~100-125k in the south is greater than 160 in NYC. Those two factors combined probably can explain the bias I have for Vandy over Gtown/Cornell. I love the schools out west but the non-ip market out there just scares me right now. Kicking myself for not staying with that BioChem major.

Insofar as there is a correlation between ranking and job security/exit options/SA offers extended at the end of 2L summer, people very much do care who they work for.

On an unrelated note, I'm peeved that nearly all firms interviewing at Chicago are V50. I feel like every single one is going to be incredibly hard to get. More non-V50 firms, please.

This is a good sign, if you think about it. The fact that lower ranked firms aren't showing up indicates that they think all the talent will be taken by the firms who are there.

No. It means V50-100 firms aren't hiring anyone.

[dresden doll]

This is a good sign, if you think about it. The fact that lower ranked firms aren't showing up indicates that they think all the talent will be taken by the firms who are there.

No. It means V50-100 firms aren't hiring anyone.

Oh, rayiner, how you shit on every post that warms my heart.