Summer Associate Class of 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Damn. Anyone hook up with another summer yet? Also jelly of the people with 12 week (i assume multiple/splitting) programs. An extra 6k to get fat? Sign me up.

This sounds potentially problematic.

Definitely read that in Emma Watson's voice....but yeah man, don't sh*t where you eat...

If I caught wind of summer associates doing this at my firm, I would do my darndest to make sure they did not receive offers. Just evinces a lack of judgment to me.

Source: I'm an employment committee member with a vote on all offers.

Lots of Summer's hooked up with each other when I was a summer

Good on them for keeping it on the down low (at least from attorneys at the firm). That doesn't mean that it was a correct or smart decision.

At least the people in recruiting seemed to know/not care. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do in the world but from what I gather it is much more of the norm than you are leading these kids to believe.

Not trying to lead these kids anywhere, broheim. Just offering a data point from my firm as someone with direct influence on whether or not a summer gets to enjoy 3L year or gets no-offer buttfucked.

[Anonymous User]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

[PB&J.D.]

ETA: someone teach me how to post gifs (Serett call-in)

[Anonymous User]

Good on them for keeping it on the down low (at least from attorneys at the firm). That doesn't mean that it was a correct or smart decision.

At least the people in recruiting seemed to know/not care. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do in the world but from what I gather it is much more of the norm than you are leading these kids to believe.

The recruiter definitely did not care when my SA friend slept with her week 1.

[Anonymous User]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

[Anonymous User]

is there a difference in sleeping with other SA's and sleeping with superiors?

[Anonymous User]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

Again, not saying it's the smartest thing in the world. Just use common sense about it. I.e don't be making out at the actual official part of the firm event or something.

And to the poster above, I think both of us would agree that hooking up with an actual superior is worse than a fellow summer, though probably more so from the superiors point of view.

[Anonymous User]

One of the first rules of having an actual job is DO NOT FUCK YOUR COWORKERS, and this goes 10x over when you're a new employee (or technically on a 2 month interview). I've heard plenty of stories of SA's getting no offered for it (with good reason), and associates banging SA's and getting immediately axed (with even better reason). If you have to ask whether this is all right, you should reevaluate your approach to your career before it's too late.

[RaceJudicata]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

Right or wrong, you and your friend are naive to think that this is "tough to overcome," or that its some cardinal sin. It happens all the time & will continue to happen all of the time for the rest of eternity.

[Serett]

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Same way you post images, but with a working gif file

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But all of this is illustrative of why I just plan on banging the hiring attorneys instead.

[Mr. Blackacre]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

Right or wrong, you and your friend are naive to think that this is "tough to overcome," or that its some cardinal sin. It happens all the time & will continue to happen all of the time for the rest of eternity.

The point isn't that it happens. The point is that if you're discovered, you should expect no offer / termination. That's just common sense. If you're willing to take the risk and do it anyway, that's fine, as long as you're aware of the consequences. I seem to remember a certain guy named Barack who had a pretty good career after hitting on an associate he was working with as an SA. Yet there are also plenty of SAs who will get screwed (both in the literal and the figurative sense) after trying to hook up with other SAs and associates. Given the risk of getting caught, in my opinion it's a pretty short-sighted thing to do if you actually plan to work at the firm later, but whatever.

[Serett]

Good on them for keeping it on the down low (at least from attorneys at the firm). That doesn't mean that it was a correct or smart decision.

At least the people in recruiting seemed to know/not care. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do in the world but from what I gather it is much more of the norm than you are leading these kids to believe.

The recruiter definitely did not care when my SA friend slept with her week 1.

Recruiting's tricky. Sounds like a sting operation (pun intended).

[PB&J.D.]

Same way you post images, but with a working gif file

[BizBro]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

Right or wrong, you and your friend are naive to think that this is "tough to overcome," or that its some cardinal sin. It happens all the time & will continue to happen all of the time for the rest of eternity.

The point isn't that it happens. The point is that if you're discovered, you should expect no offer / termination. That's just common sense. If you're willing to take the risk and do it anyway, that's fine, as long as you're aware of the consequences. I seem to remember a certain guy named Barack who had a pretty good career after hitting on an associate he was working with as an SA. Yet there are also plenty of SAs who will get screwed (both in the literal and the figurative sense) after trying to hook up with other SAs and associates. Given the risk of getting caught, in my opinion it's a pretty short-sighted thing to do if you actually plan to work at the firm later, but whatever.

lol what the actual fuck. I know so many SA's who've slept together. In v10 classes of 100 summers and alcohol its bound to happen. The only reason you would get no offered is if you do inappropriate shit while out with co-workers or at work.

[RaceJudicata]

lol what the actual fuck. I know so many SA's who've slept together. In v10 classes of 100 summers and alcohol its bound to happen. The only reason you would get no offered is if you do inappropriate shit while out with co-workers or at work.

This is exactly my point. Big V15 Law Firm would MUCH rather protect that 100% offer rate than make a moral stand if they hear about Jack and Diane hooking up after the firm outing. Most people -- even those with hiring committee votes like above poster -- are going to turn a blind eye and keep that offer rate strong. And those folks that refuse to turn a blind eye are going to look like petty teenagers.. "Oh did you hear about the two summers, i heard they made out, slept over and were 10 minutes late for work oooo la la -- they are not Big V15 Law Firm material"f

[Banshee]

I'll say it again....DON'T SHIT WHERE YOU EAT!!! It doesn't matter what the reason is (possible no offer, bad rep among your cohort/firm, etc...) who needs the drama?!? Trust me, there are plenty of other people for you to hook up with that don't include someone you will be working with/seeing every day for the next however many years.

[BizBro]

Anyway hows everyone's summer going so far? I don't start for another few days. I know some of my friends haven't even gotten any work until 4 days in.

[Anonymous User]

I'll say it again....DON'T SHIT WHERE YOU EAT!!! It doesn't matter what the reason is (possible no offer, bad rep among your cohort/firm, etc...) who needs the drama?!? Trust me, there are plenty of other people for you to hook up with that don't include someone you will be working with/seeing every day for the next however many years.

It's difficult to meet people actually so it's natural in many ways to hook up with who is around.

[monsterman]

Anyway hows everyone's summer going so far? I don't start for another few days. I know some of my friends haven't even gotten any work until 4 days in.

I'm in a large firm in a secondary market, and I stayed till 7 tonight to finish an assignment. There was 1 other person I saw on my floor. I'm trying to figure out if they make the associates go home early in the summer to trick us or whether the hours are really just not that bad

[barkschool]

Anyway hows everyone's summer going so far? I don't start for another few days. I know some of my friends haven't even gotten any work until 4 days in.

I'm in a large firm in a secondary market, and I stayed till 7 tonight to finish an assignment. There was 1 other person I saw on my floor. I'm trying to figure out if they make the associates go home early in the summer to trick us or whether the hours are really just not that bad

VPN at home

[monsterman]

Anyway hows everyone's summer going so far? I don't start for another few days. I know some of my friends haven't even gotten any work until 4 days in.

I'm in a large firm in a secondary market, and I stayed till 7 tonight to finish an assignment. There was 1 other person I saw on my floor. I'm trying to figure out if they make the associates go home early in the summer to trick us or whether the hours are really just not that bad

VPN at home

Yeah I'm sure that happens. But from the associates I've talked to that sounds like the exception--i.e., maybe once a week unless of course trial is going on or closing or something

[Anonymous User]

So what is it exactly that Summers do at Texas firms? I hear some regions have more of a reputation for giving less work than others.

We're getting real assignments (not just make-work memos and such), but nothing time-sensitive so there are no fire drills. In fact, they're pretty much pushing us out the door at five.

[cannibal ox]

Oh my god the "keep it in your pants, kiddos" anon discussion was delicious.

This thread is really delivering so far.

[Anonymous User]

So what is it exactly that Summers do at Texas firms? I hear some regions have more of a reputation for giving less work than others.

We're getting real assignments (not just make-work memos and such), but nothing time-sensitive so there are no fire drills. In fact, they're pretty much pushing us out the door at five.

Yeah my Texas experience was odd, people insisting I leave at 5. Even if I had literally just received an assignment. I really liked it, but the insistence was odd.

[rahulg91]

You should out your firm so they know where to avoid if they are a twenty something who occasionally hooks up with other twenty somethings when force fed alcohol all summer

No thanks. As another data point (and this will be the last point I make on the matter since you apparently just want to believe what you want), I just had a JDG call with a law school classmate who is on the employment committee at a different V20 from mine, and she agreed that this would be tough to overcome at her firm as well.

Look, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your pisswyrm. Just be aware that there may be career-relevant consequences if you turn your summer associateship into a humpfest.

Right or wrong, you and your friend are naive to think that this is "tough to overcome," or that its some cardinal sin. It happens all the time & will continue to happen all of the time for the rest of eternity.

The point isn't that it happens. The point is that if you're discovered, you should expect no offer / termination. That's just common sense. If you're willing to take the risk and do it anyway, that's fine, as long as you're aware of the consequences. I seem to remember a certain guy named Barack who had a pretty good career after hitting on an associate he was working with as an SA. Yet there are also plenty of SAs who will get screwed (both in the literal and the figurative sense) after trying to hook up with other SAs and associates. Given the risk of getting caught, in my opinion it's a pretty short-sighted thing to do if you actually plan to work at the firm later, but whatever.

lol what the actual fuck. I know so many SA's who've slept together. In v10 classes of 100 summers and alcohol its bound to happen. The only reason you would get no offered is if you do inappropriate shit while out with co-workers or at work.

Stuff like this should really be included in Vault/Chambers profiles. "X firm is chill with summers banging"