School OCI Data Forum

[Anonymous User]

Just got done submitting my bids for early OCI. I bid on every firm that wasn't an IP boutique. 30 total.

I am top 1/3, secondary journal at a T25. My school is almost entirely pre-select.

How many interviews do you wise people think I'll get?

[270910]

Just got done submitting my bids for early OCI. I bid on every firm that wasn't an IP boutique. 30 total.

I am top 1/3, secondary journal at a T25. My school is almost entirely pre-select.

How many interviews do you wise people think I'll get?

Not very many.

[Anonymous User]

Just got done submitting my bids for early OCI. I bid on every firm that wasn't an IP boutique. 30 total.

I am top 1/3, secondary journal at a T25. My school is almost entirely pre-select.

How many interviews do you wise people think I'll get?

Not very many.

Any number greater than zero will put a smile on my face.

[drake]

So does this mean MV>P

[ZXCVBNM]

Fordham Early Interview Week (EIW), phase one of our OCI:

We have 125 distinct employers coming, just in our first week. Nearly all are large firms. Counting interview opportunities for separate offices, and the handful asking for patent bar eligible students only, that number climbs to 202+ (working on getting exact figures.)

(Note, this list is accurate as of three weeks ago, when we received paper lists. There have been some very minor additions, and I think one firm pulled out since then, as per email updates, so the picture is still accurate.)

EDIT: Revising to make more accurate/reflect changes.

Unfortunately for Fordham though (as I think OS was saying earlier), at least a few of those interviews might be happening just because of where you are located. When all it costs to send someone over for OCI is cab fair, the firms figure "Why Not?", as having more schools to interview at looks better. Also, it always looks better if you are giving the local school a chance, even in New York. They might just be paying lip service and not actually be looking to hire anyone from the school.

Of course, a long shot is better than no shot at all. Just because they are not looking to hire does not mean you cannot impress the pants off of them and change their minds. Not likely to happen, but possible. Hopefully all of this is just speculation however, and thy really do want to employ all of you.

This is credited. These numbers are encouraging, though, even if they aren't straight up cause for celebration yet. Make contingency plans, but hope for the best.

I would agree with this but look at cardozo's numbers which are way lower.

[270910]

So does this mean MV>P

No.

[Core]

So does this mean MV>P

No, nobody has been able to present data for Penn or Virginia.

[chicoalto0649]

Some updates and slight changes.

2. CRAVATH: T14, Texas, BC, BU, Fordham, BYU, Howard

http://www.cravath.com/interviewschedule/

4. SKADDEN: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, BU, BC, W&L, Fordham, UConn, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, American, Houston, Temple, Villanova, Howard, Widener

http://www.skadden.com/recruiting/recru ... lView=list

6. SIMPSON THACHER: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Fordham, Hastings, Brooklyn, St. John's, Santa Clara, Howard

http://www.stblaw.com/recruit_calendar.cfm

7. WEIL: Yale (NYC, SV), Harvard (BOS, DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), Stanford (DAL, NYC, SV), Columbia (DAL, MIA, NYC, SV), NYU (MIA, NYC, SV), Chicago (NYC, DC), Michigan (NYC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (NYC, SV), Penn (MIA, NYC, DC), Duke (NYC), Northwestern (NYC, SV), Cornell (NYC), GULC (NYC, DC), Texas (DAL, HOU, NYC, SV), GWU (NYC), BC (BOS), BU (BOS), Fordham (NYC), Hastings (SV), Florida (MIA), Miami (MIA), Cardozo (NYC), Brooklyn (NYC), NYLS (NYC), St. John's (NYC), SMU (DAL), Santa Clara (SV), Houston (HOU), San Francisco (SV), Howard (NYC), Suffolk (BOS)

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8. WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY: T14 (minus NYU, Cornell, & Berkeley), Texas.

http://www.wc.com/careers-summer-schedule.html

10. COVINGTON & BURLING: Yale (NYC, SF, DC), Harvard (NYC, SF, SV, DC), Stanford (SF, SV, DC), Columbia (NYC, DC), NYU (NYC, Dc), Chicago (NYC, SF, DC), Michigan (DC), Virginia (NYC, DC), Berkeley (SD, SF, SV, DC), Penn (DC), Duke (DC), Northwestern (DC), Cornell (DC), GULC (DC), UCLA (SD), Texas (DC), WashU/Miami/Tulane (DC), GWU (NYC, DC), Fordham (NYC), GMU (DC), Maryland (DC), UNC (DC), Howard (DC)

http://www.cov.com/careers/washington/s ... ecruiting/

13. DEBEVOISE: T14 (minus Northwestern), Texas, WUSTL, Fordham, Tulane, Cardozo, Brooklyn, NYLS, Rutgers, St. John's, Howard

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15. LATHAM: T14, UCLA, Texas, USC, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, Fordham, Hastings, USD, Loyola Los Angeles, Houston, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.lw.com/Careers.aspx?page=Car ... Interviews

18. JONES DAY: T14, UCLA, Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, WUSTL, GWU, Notre Dame, Illinois, W&L, Minnesota, Indiana, Fordham, Emory, Hastings, Davis, UNC, Wisconsin, Georgia, Georgia State, Ohio State, Tulane, Loyola Los Angeles, Case Western, Catholic, American, Maryland, Cardozo, Pitt, Santa Clara, SMU, Houston, Cleveland State, Howard, Irvine.

http://www.jonesdaycareers.com/offices/ ... bsection=1

31. MAYER BROWN: T14 (minus Cornell), UCLA, Texas, USC, Illinois, Hastings, UNC, Wake, Loyola Los Angeles, Howard, Houston.

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Super subtle pro-Fordham trolling

Bolded is blantant anti-Cardozo trolling from Simpson Thacher

[Anonymous User]

Kirkland (Chicago)
Yale
Harvard
Chicago
NYU
Michigan
UVA
Duke
Northwestern
Notre Dame

[Anonymous User]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

[rundoxierun]

This guy seems to have seen Harvard's OCI numbers.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=119919

First sign this guy didnt know what he was talking about, which somehow went unmentioned in the thread, is that he uses "chance of getting a high paying job in nyc" to somehow approximate total hiring at Columbia and Harvard. Since, you know, there is a fence around nyc that prevents them from leaving or accepting jobs that dont pay a lot.

[Anonymous User]

Alright, I'm here to clear up all of this Duke misinformation nonsense. I have the spreadsheet and have compiled salary information for all firms on the list. I've posted the spreadsheet (with names redacted, of course) here: http://www.filedropper.com/dukeclassof2 ... employment

If I wasn't sure of a firm's salary, I lowballed it at 50k.

Highlights:
62-65% of the class got SA positions at firms.
V10: 11%, V20: 18%, V50: 31%, V100: 39%

Mean salary: 136k
Median salary: 160k
# at 160k = 73 (many, many others are at market in their respective regions)

Duke's class of 2011 did well in getting summer employment, especially ITE. Of course, this data does not take into consideration no offers and such. One final note for some of the people who posted upthread about Duke: if you don't have the data in front of you, please don't post conjecture. You just end up looking idiotic.

[Core]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

Wow, impressive. Wonder why Penn is lagging relative to UVA. Maybe class size?

[rayiner]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

Wow, impressive. Wonder why Penn is lagging relative to UVA. Maybe class size?

Eh. I think a better metric would be the number of interview slots weighted by the sie of each employer. I'd rather have 40 interview slots at an employer that takes a summer class of 50 than 20 interview slots at each of 3 employers that take summer class of 4-5.

My guess is that Penn has a large number of slots in V100 firms, with not a lot of smaller/secondary market employers participating. That makes comparing total number of employers not very useful.

[como]

Alright, I'm here to clear up all of this Duke misinformation nonsense. I have the spreadsheet and have compiled salary information for all firms on the list. I've posted the spreadsheet (with names redacted, of course) here: http://www.filedropper.com/dukeclassof2 ... employment

If I wasn't sure of a firm's salary, I lowballed it at 50k.

Highlights:
62-65% of the class got SA positions at firms.
V10: 11%, V20: 18%, V50: 31%, V100: 39%

Mean salary: 136k
Median salary: 160k
# at 160k = 73 (many, many others are at market in their respective regions)

Duke's class of 2011 did well in getting summer employment, especially ITE. Of course, this data does not take into consideration no offers and such. One final note for some of the people who posted upthread about Duke: if you don't have the data in front of you, please don't post conjecture. You just end up looking idiotic.

Those are good numbers. It looks like Duke had us covered in every metric.

Cornell had the following:

~43% got SA positions at firms.
V10: 8%, V25: 15%, V50: 29%, V100: 35%

[Anonymous User]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

Wow, impressive. Wonder why Penn is lagging relative to UVA. Maybe class size?

Eh. I think a better metric would be the number of interview slots weighted by the sie of each employer. I'd rather have 40 interview slots at an employer that takes a summer class of 50 than 20 interview slots at each of 3 employers that take summer class of 4-5.

My guess is that Penn has a large number of slots in V100 firms, with not a lot of smaller/secondary market employers participating. That makes comparing total number of employers not very useful.

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway. Also, if NYC offices tend to be biased, anecdotal evidence suggest that they tend to be biased towards Columbia or NYU, not Penn. Fwiw, autoadmit reported that Penn placed 35% last year. Not sure how true this is, because we don't have official data from any of the MVPB, regardless of what people are trying to exclaim on here.

[rundoxierun]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

Wow, impressive. Wonder why Penn is lagging relative to UVA. Maybe class size?

Eh. I think a better metric would be the number of interview slots weighted by the sie of each employer. I'd rather have 40 interview slots at an employer that takes a summer class of 50 than 20 interview slots at each of 3 employers that take summer class of 4-5.

My guess is that Penn has a large number of slots in V100 firms, with not a lot of smaller/secondary market employers participating. That makes comparing total number of employers not very useful.

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway. Also, if NYC offices tend to be biased, anecdotal evidence suggest that they tend to be biased towards Columbia or NYU, not Penn. Fwiw, autoadmit reported that Penn placed 35% last year. Not sure how true this is, because we don't have official data from any of the MVPB, regardless of what people are trying to exclaim on here.

I highly, highly doubt that is true.

[Anonymous User]

83 of the 101* Vault100 firms are interviewing on-campus at UVA. I'm not sure how that compares to the other schools.

*Note: There are 102 firms listed in the Vault100. I counted Hogan & Hartson and Lovells as one firm.

[Core]

UVA now has 173 unique employers and 566 offices coming to campus.

Wow, impressive. Wonder why Penn is lagging relative to UVA. Maybe class size?

Eh. I think a better metric would be the number of interview slots weighted by the sie of each employer. I'd rather have 40 interview slots at an employer that takes a summer class of 50 than 20 interview slots at each of 3 employers that take summer class of 4-5.

My guess is that Penn has a large number of slots in V100 firms, with not a lot of smaller/secondary market employers participating. That makes comparing total number of employers not very useful.

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway. Also, if NYC offices tend to be biased, anecdotal evidence suggest that they tend to be biased towards Columbia or NYU, not Penn. Fwiw, autoadmit reported that Penn placed 35% last year. Not sure how true this is, because we don't have official data from any of the MVPB, regardless of what people are trying to exclaim on here.

Gotcha. Do you by any chance have a link to the Xoxo thread with that guesstimate?

[rayiner]

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway.

The diversity effect is true, but there is also the flip side of the discussion.

K&E Chi: 32
Sidley Chi: 20
Winston Chi: 22
Jenner Chi: 16

In NYC, there are 9 firms that had classes >= 30, and another 14 firms that had classes >= 20, and another 17 firms that had classes >= 10.

Remember at OCI you'll get around ~15 interviews. It goes without saying that if those interviews are with firms that have big classes, you have a better shot at getting a job.

[SuichiKurama]

Alright, I'm here to clear up all of this Duke misinformation nonsense. I have the spreadsheet and have compiled salary information for all firms on the list. I've posted the spreadsheet (with names redacted, of course) here: http://www.filedropper.com/dukeclassof2 ... employment

If I wasn't sure of a firm's salary, I lowballed it at 50k.

Highlights:
62-65% of the class got SA positions at firms.
V10: 11%, V20: 18%, V50: 31%, V100: 39%

Mean salary: 136k
Median salary: 160k
# at 160k = 73 (many, many others are at market in their respective regions)

Duke's class of 2011 did well in getting summer employment, especially ITE. Of course, this data does not take into consideration no offers and such. One final note for some of the people who posted upthread about Duke: if you don't have the data in front of you, please don't post conjecture. You just end up looking idiotic.

Those are good numbers. It looks like Duke had us covered in every metric.

Cornell had the following:

~43% got SA positions at firms.
V10: 8%, V25: 15%, V50: 29%, V100: 35%

Duke has been doing this for years but because of the anti southern bias it gets grouped with Cornell. I'm sorry but Duke and NU are in a league above Cornell and GULC. Look at that diversity of placement--that is definitely helping them. They are spreading their grads across NYC, DC, Cali, and the southern/Texas markets (with a higher percentage of grads going for the Texas/southern markets than most of the top 14).

[miamiman]

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway.

The diversity effect is true, but there is also the flip side of the discussion.

K&E Chi: 32
Sidley Chi: 20
Winston Chi: 22
Jenner Chi: 16

In NYC, there are 9 firms that had classes >= 30, and another 14 firms that had classes >= 20, and another 17 firms that had classes >= 10.

Remember at OCI you'll get around ~15 interviews. It goes without saying that if those interviews are with firms that have big classes, you have a better shot at getting a job.

Ray, what is NU saying w/r/t the Chicago market leading into OCI...?

[rayiner]

Many v100 firms in NYC are slashing SA positions by half, and most firms want a diverse class (aka students from different schools). I think schools are better positioned to have secondary market offices of biglaw firms going to OCI, like at M and V, because most offices in primary markets will not want to hire solely from one school anyway.

The diversity effect is true, but there is also the flip side of the discussion.

K&E Chi: 32
Sidley Chi: 20
Winston Chi: 22
Jenner Chi: 16

In NYC, there are 9 firms that had classes >= 30, and another 14 firms that had classes >= 20, and another 17 firms that had classes >= 10.

Remember at OCI you'll get around ~15 interviews. It goes without saying that if those interviews are with firms that have big classes, you have a better shot at getting a job.

Ray, what is NU saying w/r/t the Chicago market leading into OCI...?

Not much. They're encouraging people to bid where they want. Which is probably not a bad idea for the school because NU spreads out it's grads a decent amount (the class is geographically diverse) and that maximizes interview oppos. Not sure if it's the best for any individual student though.

[como]

Alright, I'm here to clear up all of this Duke misinformation nonsense. I have the spreadsheet and have compiled salary information for all firms on the list. I've posted the spreadsheet (with names redacted, of course) here: http://www.filedropper.com/dukeclassof2 ... employment

If I wasn't sure of a firm's salary, I lowballed it at 50k.

Highlights:
62-65% of the class got SA positions at firms.
V10: 11%, V20: 18%, V50: 31%, V100: 39%

Mean salary: 136k
Median salary: 160k
# at 160k = 73 (many, many others are at market in their respective regions)

Duke's class of 2011 did well in getting summer employment, especially ITE. Of course, this data does not take into consideration no offers and such. One final note for some of the people who posted upthread about Duke: if you don't have the data in front of you, please don't post conjecture. You just end up looking idiotic.

Those are good numbers. It looks like Duke had us covered in every metric.

Cornell had the following:

~43% got SA positions at firms.
V10: 8%, V25: 15%, V50: 29%, V100: 35%

Duke has been doing this for years but because of the anti southern bias it gets grouped with Cornell. I'm sorry but Duke and NU are in a league above Cornell and GULC. Look at that diversity of placement--that is definitely helping them. They are spreading their grads across NYC, DC, Cali, and the southern/Texas markets (with a higher percentage of grads going for the Texas/southern markets than most of the top 14).

It's not anti-southern bias, it's anti-Duke bias But seriously, I concede that Duke is a better school in a number of regards. For one, you can see that Duke does far better outside the V100 than Cornell does. Within the V100 the disparity is not as great.

[rayiner]

Alright, I'm here to clear up all of this Duke misinformation nonsense. I have the spreadsheet and have compiled salary information for all firms on the list. I've posted the spreadsheet (with names redacted, of course) here: http://www.filedropper.com/dukeclassof2 ... employment

If I wasn't sure of a firm's salary, I lowballed it at 50k.

Highlights:
62-65% of the class got SA positions at firms.
V10: 11%, V20: 18%, V50: 31%, V100: 39%

Mean salary: 136k
Median salary: 160k
# at 160k = 73 (many, many others are at market in their respective regions)

Duke's class of 2011 did well in getting summer employment, especially ITE. Of course, this data does not take into consideration no offers and such. One final note for some of the people who posted upthread about Duke: if you don't have the data in front of you, please don't post conjecture. You just end up looking idiotic.

Those are good numbers. It looks like Duke had us covered in every metric.

Cornell had the following:

~43% got SA positions at firms.
V10: 8%, V25: 15%, V50: 29%, V100: 35%

Duke has been doing this for years but because of the anti southern bias it gets grouped with Cornell. I'm sorry but Duke and NU are in a league above Cornell and GULC. Look at that diversity of placement--that is definitely helping them. They are spreading their grads across NYC, DC, Cali, and the southern/Texas markets (with a higher percentage of grads going for the Texas/southern markets than most of the top 14).

It's not anti-southern bias, it's anti-Duke bias But seriously, I concede that Duke is a better school in a number of regards. For one, you can see that Duke does far better outside the V100 than Cornell does. Within the V100 the disparity is not as great.

Eh, I don't know how much I'd chalk it up to Duke being "better". You can't get southern/midwest markets without connections, and I bet Duke and NU's student body is a lot more geographically diverse than Cornell's.